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[April Ludgate]

I don’t have the same expectation of FL/Boon being right in reads that you do

Yeah, if anything I'm known for death tunneling a townie at least once per game as town

[April Ludgate]

I do quite think it is frog. He has done no solving and posted nothing town from day 2 on. But we can do eyes first and talk about it tomorrow.

Yeah, I feel Frogster's in the space where he's trying to actively say as little as possible to not have any hard ties to them.

That vote on Eyes is one of the few pieces of action they've taken for a while, and it seems like a specifically chosen political vote, if that makes sense.

It creates a WIFOM association. We could think it's them bussing a scum, or pretending to bus a scum. Heavy WIFOM in it.

I personally think in their situation, they're more likely to vote a partner than town since it's highly likely Frogster goes down sometime. Not impossible, but it'd be safe to setup.

However, a Scorp/Eyes + 1 traitor does have potential as well, meaning Froggy could be town, meaning that Cape/VPB+Nero-Frog was TT+T-T.

[Frogsterking]

Prediction: If this flips town, Math will live and somehow find a way to blame me for it.

I am quite likely the only uncleared player who is not scum. I expect this game to end when Math decides to mislim me despite how painfully obvious my alignment should be because I did not strike his ego enough and dared to be right about a wide variety of topics, and I am preemptively mad about it.

VOTE: Frog

Luminary,

Are you familiar with the Jungian concept of ego death?

Not really. I feel pretty confident there is going to be no point to this question.

The idea is that we build up assumptions to make the world seem less abstract and we avoid challenging those assumptions because it's effortful and induces psychic pain. When we're faced with incontrovertible evidence our assumptions are wrong (like being betrayed by someone close) our ego collapses and we experience psychic pain and everything seems more abstract. Jung suggested most of us actively avoid experiencing ego death because it's highly unpleasant. Jung also suggested going through it is important for the development of insight.

The comments here like "...Math will live and somehow find a way to blame me for it", "...dared to be right about a wide variety of topics", "...I am preemptively mad about it" and "I feel pretty confident there is going to be no point to this question" indicate to me that you make a lot of assumptions about the game. I also think you actively avoid challenging those assumptions. I think it can be AI because it's easy to fake because of the lack of subtlety required to perform it, and if you're town, it indicates you're likely to become confbias on your own ideas and make a mishammer yourself, making you a liability regardless of your alignment.

That's my point.

[Frogsterking]

@Eyes yoo hooooooo

[Frogsterking]

That vote on Eyes is one of the few pieces of action they've taken for a while, and it seems like a specifically chosen political vote, if that makes sense.

I have been playing a lot of Diplomacy on webdip, hopefully it's a sign of some positive change with my approach to social games.

[Frogsterking]

Frogster that reasoning seems… very early-game for this stage of the game.

Thank you

[Eyes without a face]

I'm thinking Eyes and Galron have really low activity counts so start pressuring there and see what they do VOTE: Eyes

I wonder how long before someone shouts distancing and decide to team me with Frog (whom I've been calling scum all game, btw. Ever since he asked that weird question about quantum mechanics and universe origins on day one)

[Eyes without a face]

@Math: You do realize that you have been shielding Frog for as long as you have been playing in this game, right? May I request you remind us of HEM's read on Frog in the masons thread?

[DeasVail]

Eyes, it’s interesting to me that you haven’t responded to people clearly doubting your claim. You’ve had a lot to say about a lot of things, and based on your play here I would have expected you to be more outraged that your claim isn’t believed

[Eyes without a face]

Eyes, it’s interesting to me that you haven’t responded to people clearly doubting your claim. You’ve had a lot to say about a lot of things, and based on your play here I would have expected you to be more outraged that your claim isn’t believed

Would it make the game status better if I went berserk? Is there anything I can say or do that would make my claim more believable to you/anyone else? I guess we both know the answer to these two questions so what's the point?

Now if you have some specific questions I'd be happy to answer them, but outraged I am not going to act.

[Frogsterking]

I have a couple questions for you.

Why did you select these players to follow when you did:
N1 STD (No Action)

N3 Deas (No Action)

And second, if you scum read me all game why did you never follow me?

[Eyes without a face]

I have a couple questions for you.

Why did you select these players to follow when you did:
N1 STD (No Action)

N3 Deas (No Action)

And second, if you scum read me all game why did you never follow me?

As I said I picked the people to follow based on my own expectation of them making it long into the game. It would have been useless from my PoV to follow someone who was likely to get chopped soon anyway and that should also explain why I never followed you because I suspected you and expected you to go down sometime earlier.

[Frogsterking]

I have a couple questions for you.

Why did you select these players to follow when you did:
N1 STD (No Action)

N3 Deas (No Action)

And second, if you scum read me all game why did you never follow me?

As I said I picked the people to follow based on my own expectation of them making it long into the game. It would have been useless from my PoV to follow someone who was likely to get chopped soon anyway and that should also explain why I never followed you because I suspected you and expected you to go down sometime earlier.

Why did you expect D1 STD to survive for a long time and why did you expect D3 Dease to survive for a long time?

[Eyes without a face]

STD presence wasn't much on D1 yet nobody was looking at him and it looked like there were at least 7 players that were being evaluated before anyone would even notice him. Deas was almost the same by D3. By D3 the game status looked like giving him a pass for a long time.

Who would you have picked to follow if you were me?

[Frogsterking]

STD presence wasn't much on D1 yet nobody was looking at him and it looked like there were at least 7 players that were being evaluated before anyone would even notice him. Deas was almost the same by D3. By D3 the game status looked like giving him a pass for a long time.

Who would you have picked to follow if you were me?

Yeet, April, Titus, Dease

[Frogsterking]

I would've seriously considered VP as well

[MathBlade]

@Math: You do realize that you have been shielding Frog for as long as you have been playing in this game, right? May I request you remind us of HEM's read on Frog in the masons thread?

I don’t remember I am too lazy and feeling sick and you’re probably scum so??

[Eyes without a face]

I would've seriously considered VP as well

You would have considered the guy that claimed ASCETIC???

[Eyes without a face]

@Math: You do realize that you have been shielding Frog for as long as you have been playing in this game, right? May I request you remind us of HEM's read on Frog in the masons thread?

I don’t remember I am too lazy and feeling sick and you’re probably scum so??

What does this have to do with my question? And then people complain I am not participating enough! Sheesh!

[MathBlade]

@Math: You do realize that you have been shielding Frog for as long as you have been playing in this game, right? May I request you remind us of HEM's read on Frog in the masons thread?

I don’t remember I am too lazy and feeling sick and you’re probably scum so??

What does this have to do with my question? And then people complain I am not participating enough! Sheesh!

It means I lack the spoons and wim to answer it.

[Eyes without a face]

Would you have been willing to do the effort if someone that was "probably not scum" asked instead of me?

[MathBlade]

Would you have been willing to do the effort if someone that was "probably not scum" asked instead of me?

I don’t think so.

[Eyes without a face]

Then why did you add that specific bit when you could have stopped at mentioning lazy and sick??

[MathBlade]

Then why did you add that specific bit when you could have stopped at mentioning lazy and sick??

Because I have to provide a read for a valid prod dodge

[Eyes without a face]

lol.. ok. that makes more sense now. thank you