KTaNE [game over!]

[Mistyx]

i think greeting had the worst handling of yesterday that i remember

[Mistyx]

dwlee is town

[Cephrir]

that's 5 town votes. you heard it here first

[GuiltyLion]

@GL: I did not put Misty in that solution. As for the rest, I still just think your play is disappointing this game if you're town *shrug*

I think you mistook Baltar's POE with yours?

regardless, sorry to disappoint ya I guess

[GuiltyLion]

anyway I still need to reread some portions of this game and decide how I feel about everything, I'd probably want to hunt people who were on both wagons today, Baltar gave a POE in the PT of {Andres, Titus, Misty, Dwlee, Mala} and that also feels like a decent place to start

gotta work for a bit but I'll be around to play more tonight

I refuse to blame anyone for voting Frog. You shouldnt either.

it's not a matter of blame, obviously most people who voted Frog are town, but we've had two miseliminations with little by way of serious resistance, and more often than not there's going to be scum on those miseliminations

however once I actually went to check it

fireisredsir [10]: Bell, Malakittens, catboi, Dwlee99, Titus, Andante, Greeting, Andresvmb, Frogsterking, Menalque
Frogsterking [9]: Greeting, VP Baltar, Cephrir, StrangeMatter, Mistyx, Andante, Enchant, PookyTheMagicalBear, Andresvmb

the only common voters are Greeting and Andres, which is not as many as I would have expected, so it's not really a useful starting point

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: Mala

HEAL: VP Baltar
HEAL: Dwlee99

not sure who else to heal or is even eligible to heal, Titus and Strange?

[Malakittens]

VOTE: mala

That was entertaining, let's lim scum now ty

Lolnope

[Bell]

VOTE: mala

That was entertaining, let's lim scum now ty

Lolnope

Please halp if town.

[GuiltyLion]

I also noted that I wouldn’t have needed to claim to get me through yesterday, and then make myself a target by swapping myself into the PT. As a strategic decision, attracting heat when I had weathered the storm yesterday and gotten a claim out (if I were Scum) didn’t seem sensible, but you all have to judge that.

Let's assume you are town, why do you think there was such a frenzy for the fire wagon yesterday as soon as your wagon took off a little bit?

I am Town. I claimed Doctor and there was no NK yesterday. Do you think the Scum held back from firing? Has anyone stepped forward to explain in a different way why there was no extra kill? Like I really can’t make this easier for you.

Scum sometimes push alternative wagons, and after my claim (and some clear resistance from multiple players against executing me), they probably felt they needed to push elsewhere. Frog still tried to bury me by ridiculing my claim. But they couldn’t get traction so they pushed fire relying on a flawed argument from catboi who was clearly trying their best and had a reasonable argument.

Like you can’t fault me for thinking the arguments against fire were reasonable and not argue against all of the other players that also landed there. I’m not hiding and saying I don’t own my vote I do. But you asked me what I relied on for it and when I tell you you say it’s bullshit. Well, it is what it is.

I didn't get to read/respond to this on D2 but I absolutely believe "scum held back from firing" is a more likely explanation than "doc!Andres saved town!pooky". scum only get one guaranteed unrestricted NK, why would they use that on N1 when it's least valuable? and if they use it immediately then they have to be careful about how they use their future ones to avoid potentially giving information on the alignment of defusers.

[Cephrir]

more often than not there's going to be scum on those miseliminations

Sigh

Sure

[Andante]

Strange is mafia

[GuiltyLion]

Strange is mafia

is this a result or a read

[Andante]

not a result, just my read I strongly believe in

[Andante]

not gonna lie, town frog doing what he did wasting my effort in that PT, has completely just made me not want to care. Strang maf is the only thing I'm like absolutely certain in right now. and uhh yeah probably won't be here tomorrow

[StrangeMatter]

not a result, just my read I strongly believe in

Again, your read is very wrong (Going to talk about this post game but I'm just saying metaing me from experience alone really has basically never worked out in the slightest, and contributes kind of to Lukewarm's point that people rarely read me right) point that I don't even care to argue at this point at how often people just misread me all the time. Still think you're town who is just completely mislead and genuinely believes I'm scum at this point despite being completely wrong.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Who's scum strange

[StrangeMatter]

From what I've seen, Dwlee slightly pinged me scummy off the Fire wagon (Dwlee I noted has pinged increasingly TMI-ey last I checked) but I'm a little paranoid on this. Plus there are people I can't get a further read on at all which is Pooky, Titus (Yes I know I very lightly scumlean them but I just don't really have much of a read on them otherwise), and Enchant.

[StrangeMatter]

From what I've seen, Dwlee slightly pinged me scummy off the Fire/Lukewarm wagon (Dwlee I noted has pinged increasingly TMI-ey last I checked) but I'm a little paranoid on this. Plus there are people I can't get a further read on at all which is Pooky, Titus (Yes I know I very lightly scumlean them off that really annoying jump onto the Lukewarm/Fire wagon but I just don't really have much of a read on them otherwise), and Enchant.

EBWOP.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

No thoughts on mala?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

if you want my actual insight

bell town
confused about why everyone kept mentioning waiting for titus input earlier then entirely ignored her andres push? probably slightly scum indicative for andres
gth i would say the vote dump on mala includes a bus

Her push was entirely underwhelming

Also in the last sentence, you seem to be assuming mala will flip scum?

[StrangeMatter]

No thoughts on mala?

I didn't originally have any thoughts on Malakittens (though skimming they give the same vibe as Cephrir where its a little scummy but I can't make much out of it, though that makes me wonder, why did this wagon suddenly come up?), though I feel like I'm just struggling to have reads on everyone, and the aforementioned people I just can't read.

But for now,

VOTE: Dwlee

Have some work I need to finish though.

[Cephrir]

Enchant is scum too btw

[Dwlee99]

Where's my TMI strange?

[Andante]

I may SR strange... but that's a read I can agree with (for some different reasoning though)

VOTE: Dwlee

[Enchant]

Enchant is scum too btw

noooooooooooo