KTaNE [game over!]

[Enchant]

Who did you protect last night and why?

Andres obviously fakeclaiming to bait kill.

But i didn't tell you that.

[Andresvmb]

Who did you protect last night and why?

Andres obviously fakeclaiming to bait kill.

But i didn't tell you that.

I will quote this back to you at the end of the game, particularly if I’ve actually stopped an NK.

Since the Scum can’t accumulate kills, I’m not sure I understand exactly why they would withhold shooting anyone unless they just didn’t need to.

[Andresvmb]

And the only scenario they don’t need to is if VPB is Scum.

[Enchant]

Sure.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it literally makes 0 sense to execute VPB.

if we execute VPB!Town, we basically lost a lim for nothing.

if we are playing in the VPB!scum world, then scum are going for some weird af wifom game where they are trying to win via VPB defusals.

in which case they will put up VPB to defuse the bomb.

in which case we can just blow him up and we keep our lim and scum waste a night.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

blowing up VPB town is a lot better than limming VPB town

[Andresvmb]

I do think it would be kind of broken if the Scum could push through a Defuse though. So maybe there’s not a whole lot of reason to worry about VPB (or any future Defuser) until it’s obvious that we need to blow everyone up because we can’t just lose through that mechanic.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

in other words blowing up VPB is preferable to limming VPB regardless of VPB alignment

and if scum are trying to win via vpb defusing shit, they have to put up VPB as defuser again.

scum want us to twist ourselves into a pretzel overthinking this paranoia bullshit

[Andresvmb]

blowing up VPB town is a lot better than limming VPB town

I’m worried about a situation where we might want to do so, but are overruled mechanically by a Scum that’s been sent as an Expert. But like I said, I think that’s probably not realistic.

[Enchant]

and if scum are trying to win via vpb defusing shit, they have to put up VPB as defuser again.

Didn't understand logic behind this one.

[Andresvmb]

There really isn’t a reason for the Scum to have withheld shooting last night. I can’t think of a good reason. N1 maybe, but yesterday? The game feels like it’s headed in a wrong direction so why not take advantage to blow up a Town leader? I’m not sure I understand.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and if scum are trying to win via vpb defusing shit, they have to put up VPB as defuser again.

Didn't understand logic behind this one.

if we are in the world where scum are trying to win via defusals

THEN

I'm assuming scum don't have any1 more townread than VPB because if they did

they would use that person to defuse bombs instead of stacking up on VPB.

imo we're just being led towards paranoia because if scum don't crack townblock with paranoia they get POE'd out

[Bell]

I protected Bell. I trusted catboi’s analysis basically.

The fuck. Nobody kills Bell.

[Enchant]

and if scum are trying to win via vpb defusing shit, they have to put up VPB as defuser again.

Didn't understand logic behind this one.

if we are in the world where scum are trying to win via defusals

THEN

I'm assuming scum don't have any1 more townread than VPB because if they did

they would use that person to defuse bombs instead of stacking up on VPB.

imo we're just being led towards paranoia because if scum don't crack townblock with paranoia they get POE'd out

... Fine.

VOTE: Andres

[Bell]

Goddamn, enchant, give some reads or something.

On who you want my mind.

Is your mind not already on somebody, because that’s basic scum hunting 101.

[Bell]

@dwlee, as the enchant reader is this dude still town.

[VP Baltar]

I protected Bell. I trusted catboi’s analysis basically.

Who are your town reads? I find this a weird protect since Bell was main driver on the fire wagon and would have been unlikely to ever be killed.

[Andresvmb]

I protected Bell. I trusted catboi’s analysis basically.

The fuck. Nobody kills Bell.

You do realize that no one died last night? I’m all for inducing paranoia amongst the Town in ways that make sense, but giving up on actually shooting people at night seems kind of silly. Like as Scum, if VPB is Scum assume and they’re getting closer to winning by defusing, you don’t put all of your eggs in that basket and just stop playing. So I would totally still shoot players at night. Meh I don’t know.

[Bell]

Uh. As half this player list will tel you I’m basically impossible to get rid of when I’m town by wagon.
I’ve read at least 4 or 5 of these people saying some combination of “Bell is annoying”

But I do not think it’s my time yet, or rather I wouldn’t expect to be killed off N2.
Usually I die N3 or N4.

If you haven’t noticed nobody has directly voted me (I think?).

[Bell]

My narcissism is showing.

[Greeting]

it literally makes 0 sense to execute VPB.

if we execute VPB!Town, we basically lost a lim for nothing.

if we are playing in the VPB!scum world, then scum are going for some weird af wifom game where they are trying to win via VPB defusals.

in which case they will put up VPB to defuse the bomb.

in which case we can just blow him up and we keep our lim and scum waste a night.

I didn't say that they are winning via

VP Baltar

defusals. I did say that they might be trying to win via scum bomb defusals, and continuously sending

VP Baltar

to solve bombs is part of that win.

Will the scums put up

VP Baltar

for bomb defusal again if he's scum and after me (and others have pointed it out)? I doubt it. Which is why, in my opinion, it is safer to eliminate him via vote today rather than hope that he will be chosen for the third time and then possibly explode him.

Especially, since that will be the decision of the bomb experts who might either:
a) be scum themselves,
b) have a different opinion and act on that opinion rather than on mine, yours or anyone else's wishes,
c) be swayed by scum into saving

VP

from exploding again.

[Bell]

Greeting are you ever going to address or have you already addressed the “why not just investigate baltar” question?

[Bell]

Like, that post was specifically aimed at you.

[Andresvmb]

I protected Bell. I trusted catboi’s analysis basically.

Who are your town reads? I find this a weird protect since Bell was main driver on the fire wagon and would have been unlikely to ever be killed.

{Andante, Greeting, Bell} are probably the only solid TRs I have.

[Bell]

Also at work gtg. Ilu game even though you don’t love me back by giving me glory.