KTaNE [game over!]

[Andante]

what if no kill last night cause Andres saved Bell who was the kill?

[Andresvmb]

wait, is the frog lim being debated? lol frog 1000% had to go... Andres was in that pt too...

Andres is only defending it to himself....no clue why

Because Frog pushed two players D1 most loudly - fire and I. That’s why.

[Andante]

like, I'm not even sure what is being argues right now, but I'm not limming Andres

[Andante]

wait, is the frog lim being debated? lol frog 1000% had to go... Andres was in that pt too...

Andres is only defending it to himself....no clue why

Because Frog pushed two players D1 most loudly - fire and I. That’s why.

ok uhh I missed the entire first part of this... I SRed frogs d1, and judging by frog's play after catboi went "I'm an IC" I'm not sure I trust frogs reads...

[Andante]

lets yeet mala!!!

[Andresvmb]

I don’t think we should rush today.

[Andante]

also, maf I want a bomb pleaseeee

[Andante]

I don’t think we should rush today.

it's not rushing if you're confident they're maf. no point in waiting 2 weeks to reach the same conclusion. do you have a better idea than Mala? cause I'm not touching VP here

[Greeting]

a) we can't have 3 scum bomb experts and a scum defuser - if we are in that world we deserve to lose
b) i don't give a shit what anyone's opinion is, if you let someone defuse a bomb when we could possibly lose (as in 3 unresolved slots have defusals) thats borderline game throwing and you shouldnt do it.
c) see point B

also if scum dont put up VPB that's fine too because if they put up someone scummier than VPB we just execute and narrow POE and if they put up someone townier than VPB that person is probly just town.

We can, however, have 2 scum bomb experts and 1 town bomb expert who is swayed by those two to save

VP Baltar

once again. Just because someone is town doesn't mean they're always going to act in an optimal way to win the game and that they can be 100% trusted (see:

Frogsterking

in our bomb expert PT and the entirety of Day 2). WIFOM is often useful, but it should always be taken with a grain of salt.

Besides,

Malakittens

is like the too obvious choice. They have done nothing in the game and barely even posted, scumreading someone for inactivity, lurking and lack of reads is the classic. But why did she accumulate 7 votes so fast? Why not, for instance,

Mistyx

or

Titus

whom I also feel are doing nothing?

I'm starting to feel like I'm being shunned about

VP Baltar

and the attention is being redirected to the

Mala

wagon instead on purpose. Which makes me question if that wagon is town-led at all.

[Andante]

Besides, Malakittens is like the too obvious choice. They have done nothing in the game

do you really think all 4 scum are deepwolves?

[StrangeMatter]

Besides, Malakittens is like the too obvious choice. They have done nothing in the game

do you really think all 4 scum are deepwolves?

That seems like an unreasonable conclusion to be making but with this playerlist I would expect there to be at least one deepwolf.

[Andante]

Besides, Malakittens is like the too obvious choice. They have done nothing in the game and barely even posted, scumreading someone for inactivity, lurking and lack of reads is the classic.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Here's mala in another game, busy town... sure they don't have all these reads there, but they were busy, STILL gave some thoughts.. I had to force thoughts last night... I don't believe this is town mala

and cause I know you'll love it, Titus is another lurker I'm not a fan of, like, after mala that's probably where I'm looking

[Andante]

Besides, Malakittens is like the too obvious choice. They have done nothing in the game

do you really think all 4 scum are deepwolves?

That seems like an unreasonable conclusion to be making but with this playerlist I would expect there to be at least one deepwolf.

yeah same, but all 4? like, saying mala can't be maf cause mala isn't trying?? that's not a legit read... Greeting is like implying all scum have to be deepwolves.. they almost never are, definitely 2-3 could be, but all 4? very doubtful

[Greeting]

Besides, Malakittens is like the too obvious choice. They have done nothing in the game

do you really think all 4 scum are deepwolves?

I'm not sure what you mean by deepwolf.

[Enchant]

Deep wolf is Deep.

[Enchant]

It means "Competent mafia which not obviously get killed day 1"

[StrangeMatter]

Deepwolfing is a term for people who are fairly strong at faking their town game and easily pass as town (or at least that's my definition of it), which they then use that to eventually end up winning the game being widely townread. Usually these players are competent enough to not be read scummy and last until engame. Some of which in this game I feel like would've been most likely Bell, Dwlee, and Lukewarm though granted he flipped town and I didn't believe they were scum, but I did know they were capable of faking their own town games.

I still agree with Greeting that Malakittens just seems too easy and its not hard to come up with the argument that a player isn't doing anything and is scum (it is scummy but I don't think its a one all indicative of a scum player).

[Greeting]

Thanks, I was looking through the wiki and couldn't find the term deepwolfing nor wolfing.

So the argument is that

Malakittens

is bad at deepwolfing and that it's just blatant scum? That may be, but if so, is her team bussing her right now? I refuse to believe there is no scum amongst those seven that are voting her right now.

[Greeting]

Well, six or maybe five.

Andante

is town and I think

Pooky

is town too.

Malakittens [7]: Dwlee99, Cephrir, VP Baltar, Cat Scratch Fever, GuiltyLion

[VP Baltar]

Look up chainsaw next

[StrangeMatter]

Deepwolfing is a term for people who are fairly strong at faking their town game and easily pass as town (or at least that's my definition of it), which they then use that to eventually end up winning the game being widely townread. Usually these players are competent enough to not be read scummy and last until engame. Some of which in this game I feel like would've been most likely Bell, Dwlee, and Lukewarm though granted he flipped town and I didn't believe they were scum, but I did know they were capable of faking their own town games.

I still agree with Greeting that Malakittens just seems too easy and its not hard to come up with the argument that a player isn't doing anything and is scum (it is scummy but I don't think its a one all indicative of a scum player).

Going off that though, I have another problem with wagon, which is it doesn't feel at all like its in the interest of town to try to figure out their alignment, just kinda throw out someone scummy (Even with the cases put up this to me about Praetorian, I still feel this way). I briefly mentioned this in another post but the wagon comes up and people note they haven't talked much which yes is scummy, but not fully scum indicative should literally never be the end all for reading a slot.

I'm sorry but with all I've said here, how does nobody see this wagon as maybe a little suspicious? I just really don't get it.

[VP Baltar]

In my experience, if you don't like a wagon, run someone else up and convince people to back you. Complaining is Zzzz and you could be scum shading a wagon on your buddy.

[StrangeMatter]

In my experience, if you don't like a wagon, run someone else up and convince people to back you. Complaining is Zzzz and you could be scum shading a wagon on your buddy.

Alright, then let's just throw out Dwlee, the slot I can absolutely see covering his tracks as scum, and pushing convenient wagons like he did as scum in my other game.

[VP Baltar]

What other convenient wagons has dwlee pushed?

[StrangeMatter]

Fire and Frogs were wagons that just feel way too convenient pushes.