KTaNE [game over!]

[Bell]

if you want my actual insight

bell town
confused about why everyone kept mentioning waiting for titus input earlier then entirely ignored her andres push? probably slightly scum indicative for andres

gth i would say the vote dump on mala includes a bus

There's nothing in Mistyx's ISO that would explain that vote on me aside from maybe this post, which is a weird thing to post while noticeably not voting for mala

Is it a weird post, it's pretty obvious from my point of view that if Mala is scum that yes, scum are bussing them.
I'm just not very confident they're bussing at all and not just using their numbers to push through an easy win.

But why say it's a bus and then not vote mala?

I dunno, why don't I vote everyone I shade or suspect as I say it.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

dwlee I've been leaning town but not very confident tho

pedit: ok but there was a wagon on mala?

[Bell]

Eh, I'm going to refrain from getting up in your grill. Keep pushing Kitty. You'll make a salmon burger one day.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Misty is salmon? might need to handhold me through this analogy, I've been drinking more than I should be for a week night

[Andante]

drinking on a wednesday??? wild

[Bell]

dwlee I've been leaning town but not very confident tho

pedit: ok but there was a wagon on mala?

That leaves me standing here, but thanks for commenting.
I don't think the existence of a wagon+shade means you have to vote either. I don't vote people for reasons, but I don't think it's wrong to dig to see if there's reluctance and if there's a reason for that reluctance of if it's just a playstyle thing.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I feel like I'm scumreading all the people who aren't doing anything, and there's probably lazy town in there somewhere. And I dont know what to do about unless one of them decides to start playing the game for real

[Cat Scratch Fever]

drinking on a wednesday??? wild

Andante it's been a rough two days

[Bell]

This is a correct interpretation of the game state and also explains some of my posts this day phase that show clear frustration towards players that fall into that group.

[Andante]

drinking on a wednesday??? wild

Andante it's been a rough two days

oh no!!! I hope everything gets better <3

[Bell]

I drink liquids every day.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: Titus

YES SIR

Why vote Titus but not Mala?

[GuiltyLion]

probly 4 of these 5:

Dwlee99
Enchant
Titus
Mala
Strange

why is Dwlee in this list

the other four are fine as POE scummy picks but Dwlee does not belong in this group unless you have good points against them

[GuiltyLion]

Strange isn’t scum

Mala if you have time / see this post I'd like you to explain this read in particular

I don't think Strange is especially scummy, but I'm not convinced she's not scum, so I wanna know what lead you to this conclusion

[GuiltyLion]

There really isn’t a reason for the Scum to have withheld shooting last night. I can’t think of a good reason. N1 maybe, but yesterday? The game feels like it’s headed in a wrong direction so why not take advantage to blow up a Town leader? I’m not sure I understand.

hmm

I didn't like Andres D2 posting about lack of NKs but this post feels genuine to me

I do agree a lack of kill last night, especially with knowledge that scum can't multi-kill, feels off

[GuiltyLion]

Besides,

Malakittens

is like the too obvious choice. They have done nothing in the game and barely even posted, scumreading someone for inactivity, lurking and lack of reads is the classic. But why did she accumulate 7 votes so fast? Why not, for instance,

Mistyx

or

Titus

whom I also feel are doing nothing?

I'm starting to feel like I'm being shu nned about

VP Baltar

and the attention is being redirected to the

Mala

wagon instead on purpose. Which makes me question if that wagon is town-led at all.

personally I'm just voting Mala because she already had a bunch of votes and I'm fine with her lim, she hasn't done anything townie

I'd be open to switching to Misty if we wanna wagon there instead, I think she's pretty scummy and confirming her alignment might help figure out wtf was going on with the swap last night

I'm hesitant to lim Titus at this point because I don't think her inactivity is alignment indicative, Titus is perfectly capable of playing/keeping up as scum so probably just genuine IRL busy-ness there

[GuiltyLion]

So the argument is that Malakittens is bad at deepwolfing and that it's just blatant scum? That may be, but if so, is her team bussing her right now? I refuse to believe there is no scum amongst those seven that are voting her right now.

this is worth keeping in mind once you have a Mala scumflip in hand - I would certainly feel pressure to bus Mala if I were her teammate here - but it's not a good reason to scare yourself off of voting the Mala wagon

[GuiltyLion]

I love that Dlee is simultaneously trying to claim credit for nailing frog-scum on D2 while also protesting that they weren't voting for Frogster on D3

w i l d

do you think this is an alignment indicative point

because I don't think it's an alignment indicative point, feels like some gotcha logic

[GuiltyLion]

why are we splitting up this perfectly good mala wagon

Post or die. Those are the rules.

I agree. Did mala post anything useful?

I know Titus is capable of posting useful stuff. That's the difference. Also, we have enough people alive to run them both up. If I can't get Titus wagon support, I'll come back to u bb.

VPB have you played Titus scum? Cause I have, many times, and she has no issues around playing/posting as scum. "Not posting useful stuff" is not a scumtell for Titus

[GuiltyLion]

I assure you that mala is a more than capable town player.

I’m also a damn capable scum player

Your point

this is scummy

Ceph's point was just that "not being pro-town/useful" is a bad reason to prefer a Titus vote over a Mala vote, and Mala jumps in to be like "but I can also play better than I [currently] am as scum" to try to suggest his vote is bad. It doesn't have any actual meaningful reason as to why we're to believe Mala is town, it doesn't interrogate whether Ceph has any additional reasons to scumread her aside from activity. She's just trying to dunk on Ceph to invalidate his read while not engaging with the actual context at all

[GuiltyLion]

ok I'm caught up and hey I am gonna give a quick n dirty readslist

town: {CSF, Bell, Ceph, Dwlee, Andante, Greeting}

prob-town?: {VP Baltar, Andres, Menalque}
nothing has pushed me either way: {Titus, Strange}
kinda scummy: {Pooky, Enchant}

scum: {Mala, Misty}

I'm really only feeling confident about the top and bottom tiers, middle is waffley. I do not like a lot of Pooky's most recent pushing on Dwlee. Enchant is making bad lazy votes.

CSF made a really good point in 3248 about misty's comment on Mala - I am having a hard time squaring Misty's "Mala is scum and scum are bussing her" as a genuine, real, townie thought when Misty is not also indicating real support for a Mala lim. I'd almost prefer Misty over Mala solely on that point + me thinking the swap last night had to benefit scum in SOME fashion, but I am not going to derail the Mala wagon while it is leading.

[GuiltyLion]

This is a correct interpretation of the game state and also explains some of my posts this day phase that show clear frustration towards players that fall into that group.

look man I'm sorry a lot of important stuff happened while I was away from thread on D1 and sometimes y'all are hyper posting while I'm away and so I've felt too detached so far to earnestly power-town, I'm here now and feeling like I got my head in the game and some motivation so let's discuss all the points I just made and what you think of my reads

[GuiltyLion]

i don't think i've ever read a dwlee scum game where they posted a single complicated thought in my life

yeah same lol that's exactly why I'm just like "I'm not TRing them..." half the ISO is literally about me... like...

they're so obssessed with you

this better not be some sort of bullshit scumtheatre cuz I will be heartbroken andy if you lied to me

one last thought

I don't think I can explain this particularly well but this post also sets off my scumdar

basically because I don't really believe Pooky actually thinks at all that Andante is scum doing scum theater with Dwlee here. the last line feels like the kinda thing scum like to post to buddy someone like Andante and give an impression of being uninformed. I feel town!Pooky is less likely to genuinely entertain a Dwlee-Andante S/S theater idea, but it's easy for me to imagine a scum!Pooky posting this with the explicit intent to stay off Andante's radar

[Enchant]

Magic trick, dangerous for health.

Turning from townread to scumread, because of voting deepwolf.

[Titus]

I see a VP wagon formed while I was out
A VP wagon makes zero sense.