Mini 2266: GnG's Upick Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Dunnstral]

[Dunnstral]

iF tITUS AND sHIRO CLAIM THINGS THAT CANNOT MATCH, sHIRO IS LYING.

OK, I'm going to go over this for everybodies benefit and so there is no confusion about what I am talking about here.

In post 256 Titus claims that the general consensus in the mage hood is to upgrade Gypyx.
In post 445 Titus is saying that Enchant is trying to avoid Gypyx being upgraded
In post 461 and 469 Titus brings up roleblocks in relation to upgrading. However, Engineer is an instant action and can be used during the day, there is no potential for it being roleblocked.
In post 575 Titus again brings up that there is a plan that everyone agreed to in the mage hood.
In post 629 and 630 Titus talks about experience exchanging hands when referring to upgrades, which doesn't match up with Shiro having the engineer to start with.
In post 711 Titus says that someone other than Shiro upgrading Gypyx confused her.
In post 726 Titus says that it was the plan for Shiro to upgrade Gypyx, and that by upgrading Gypyx I caused a fair amount of confusion

However, the whole time, Shiro had the engineer role from the start, and could have used it on day 1. They could have used it on the first page if they wanted.

What's even more incriminating is that I just double checked with the wording that Shiro received with their role,

it is abundantly clear that the engineer unlocks a new ability instead of upgrading an existing one

. That part is actually explained in their role pm in a way that cannot be misinterpreted.

Now remember, the whole plan day 1 was that Gypyx' neighborizor would upgrade to a masonizer, however,

Shiro had knowledge that it didn't work like that

and didn't say anything.


So I ask again, and emphasize: Somebody who is not Titus/Shiro should give a transcript of what happened in the mage hood from start to finish.

VOTE: Shiro

[Frozen Angel]

Wait I just realized LLD is alive. I thought she died

You can thank me now for bringing LLD back and kindly remove your vote. ^_^

Why I don't believe you didn't know why she is back?

@Dwlee I need you to hard claim who did you target last night. As I have a potential guilty on you

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[Dunnstral]

3 different people with potential guilties on Dwlee

We're all from the same hood, but none of us coordinated this by the way

[Frozen Angel]

[Frozen Angel]

I have to say this out loud now.

Ending this phase without my permission is an outright scum claim and should be treated as such.

We have important things to solve and check and I have important things to do.

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[Roden]

Sneak hood just cracked wide open...I may have a hard guilty.

[Enchant]

I will Participate

Shiro claimed she had Engineer, and was planned to use it on Gypix, but you was faster.

Instead she upgraded Titus.

It's not guilty.

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[Dunnstral]

I will Participate

Shiro claimed she had Engineer, and was planned to use it on Gypix, but you was faster.

Instead she upgraded Titus.

It's not guilty.

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No, you're wrong. The engineer can be used at any time.

It can be used during the day

. I only had enough exp to purchase the engineer after the day phase ended and it became night 1. Shiro could have used the engineer during day 1. I wasn't faster, Shiro chose not to use it on Gypyx.

Don't forget that I had the engineer ability, so I know how it works. Shiro also had it, and knew how it worked.

If anybody else purchased the engineer, they can confirm that it can be used during the day.

[jjh927]

I will participate

the secret ability of the sneak tree is a 1 shot role steal, It steals another players primary role. I used this ability on Shiro and was informed that their starting primary ability was that they started the game with an engineer shot. This means they could have upgraded gypyx on

day 1

but instead acted like they were going to be receiving exp during the night to buy the engineer shot instead.

I used the role stop on dwlee last night. Roleblocker that also blocks strongman; no deaths. That plus them moving into the same neighborhood as Gypyx and Shiro is super sketch considering the rules for transferring exp. Lots of circumstantial evidence pointing here.

VOTE: Shiro

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I would like to complicate things by revealing I have a hood with Shiro and have done since the beginning of night 1. Shiro is town.

Shiro is responsible for reviving LLD.
I am probably responsible for the lack of nightkill as I may have become fucking invincible in a way I claimed to both Shiro and Yume

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[jjh927]

Very important information that Shiro has provided is that the 4th tier ability in the mage tree is a fucking reviver

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[Dunnstral]

OK so

With that context, can you explain what is going on in 1001 to me?

[Frozen Angel]

reviving LLD doesnt mean Shiro is town or LLD is town after being revived.

But I have this information that titus is upgraded as I tried upgrading them and it didn't work. and yeah the engineer it could be used during the day

Anyways We have massive information getting processed in sneak tree as we speak so I'm asking you all for some time till we process the whole deal. We have potentially a hard guilty + 3p outing + possibility to find another hard guilty or clearing a slot.

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[Frozen Angel]

[Enchant]

reviving LLD doesnt mean Shiro is town or LLD is town after being revived.

But I have this information that titus is upgraded as I tried upgrading them and it didn't work. and yeah the engineer it could be used during the day

Anyways We have massive information getting processed in sneak tree as we speak so I'm asking you all for some time till we process the whole deal. We have potentially a hard guilty + 3p outing + possibility to find another hard guilty or clearing a slot.

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But LLD is town.
Just in a case, Shiro did claim additional win condition as well.

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[Dunnstral]

or LLD is town after being revived.

Alright, we can tone back the paranoia a little bit here. LLD is clearly town here

[jjh927]

I do not know all the specifics, especially of the timings of things that happened before I had a hood with Shiro.

My suspicions are that the whole thing is a result of Titus thinking she had literally any idea of what was going on

Shiro revealed the engineer to me almost immediately. IDK when it was revealed to the mage hood, but it was before me. You're right that the wording absolutely should have tipped someone off as to how it worked, but A. I'm not sure Shiro noticed and B. I'm not sure Titus would have listened.
From the context given to me I think there was also never any agreed-upon plan, and instead Titus was just telling people to do things. I specifically told Shiro not to upgrade Gypyx because you had committed to doing so, and actually to hold on to the engineer. I haven't been told it has been used so I suggested to use it on FA in the last night phase.

PEdit: Yeah, Shiro also claimed that 3p wincon to me as well

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[Frozen Angel]

PEdit: Yeah, Shiro also claimed that 3p wincon to me as well

as he is town but can turn 3p or that he is town with extra win condition or that he isn't town, just a good side 3p

I need to know this information.

and yes LLD is almost close to certainly town unless it gets revealed that shiro is secretly a cult leader or something and didn't use the mage ultimate unlike their claim. Not so weird considering we're in game with immortal people as they claim and so low night kill rate.

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[Frozen Angel]

so I suggested to use it on FA in the last night phase.

What did they claim happened? Did they use it on my slot and was it successful or not?

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[Frozen Angel]

[jjh927]

Town with extra win condition.

I have no idea what happened with the engineers; note that Shiro should have had 2 over the course of the game and hasn't given any direct confirmation over how they have been used

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[Enchant]

So Mage Ultimate is Revive?




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[Dwlee99]

Wait I just realized LLD is alive. I thought she died

You can thank me now for bringing LLD back and kindly remove your vote. ^_^

Why I don't believe you didn't know why she is back?

@Dwlee I need you to hard claim who did you target last night. As I have a potential guilty on you

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You overestimate how closely I was reading

Also: no one. I did literally nothing last night

[Dunnstral]

Town with extra win condition.

I have no idea what happened with the engineers; note that Shiro should have had 2 over the course of the game and hasn't given any direct confirmation over how they have been used

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I wasn't told whether what I swiped had a charge left or not. I can try to use it on FA.

[Frozen Angel]

I did literally nothing last night

Interesting

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