KTaNE [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 4.01

• with
  13
  votes in play, it takes
  7
  to make a decision.
  
• day 4 ends in
  (expired on 2022-04-21 14:00:00)
  .
  
• 3
  players who have the most nominations will be bomb experts on n4.

execution:

Dwlee99 [1]:

StrangeMatter

StrangeMatter [1]:

Dwlee99

not voting [11]:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Andante, Mistyx, VP Baltar, GuiltyLion, Enchant, Cephrir, Cat Scratch Fever, Menalque, Titus, Bell

bomb expert nominations:

not nominating [13]:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Andante, Mistyx, VP Baltar, GuiltyLion, Enchant, Dwlee99, Cephrir, Cat Scratch Fever, Menalque, Titus, StrangeMatter, Bell

ineligible to be nominated:

Bell, Mistyx, GuiltyLion, VP Baltar, Dwlee99, StrangeMatter

mod notes:

• Menalque v/la weekends.
  
• Menalque v/la until thursday.
  
• the vote counter is acting weird and i'm counting votes by hand, let me know if i make any mistakes.

[Enchant]

HEAL: Everyone

[StrangeMatter]

As much as I would believe that, I literally explained in PT, why I thought that it wasn’t believing they were town, rather based on mechanics and an interaction that I noted.

[Dwlee99]

I think if I was scum here and wanted to kill Andres I would have just... done that. And not even submitted info. I already had stated reason enough in the bomb squad anyway to not solve the bomb (I felt like if we solved it then we would have to lim VPB and I didn't want to do that). Strange had literally no progression during the night phase. I was actually a little skeeved out by how when I chose to give info both strange and vpb pretty much immediately followed

[Dwlee99]

As much as I would believe that, I literally explained in PT, why I thought that it wasn’t believing they were town, rather based on mechanics and an interaction that I noted.

Your thing was just you didn't think Andres/vpb was SvS but that's not exactly a hard to fabricate reason as scum

[Dwlee99]

Doesn't help that Dwlee gave two sets of information, and the second time they were clarifying things up.

Why does that even matter

[Dwlee99]

Cause it just reads to me like scum shade on something that is completely irrelevant

[StrangeMatter]

As much as I would believe that, I literally explained in PT, why I thought that it wasn’t believing they were town, rather based on mechanics and an interaction that I noted.

Your thing was just you didn't think Andres/vpb was SvS but that's not exactly a hard to fabricate reason as scum

Do you seriously believe I would fabricate that as scum? And seriously, look at their interaction and tell me, yeah that is just a fabricated thought as scum.

You know why it matters because it could mean you gave the wrong info?

[Dwlee99]

Also strange has more posts today than in the hood

[StrangeMatter]

Yeah no this just reeks of Dwlee setting up an elimination at this point.

[Dwlee99]

Do you seriously believe I would fabricate that as scum? And seriously, look at their interaction and tell me, yeah that is just a fabricated thought as scum.

You know why it matters because it could mean you gave the wrong info?

Well it's one of you and VPB? I thought that they weren't SvT reading that interaction, but it wasn't my only reasoning cause I actually townread Andres there which is more important than specifically knowing if Andres/VPB are SvS or not

And all I did was clarify which buttons were the 3 buttons he had to press because I realized that the manual said the name but the bomb didn't, it just had pictures. So I had to go through and match picture to the description. You can look and check out that the pictures I pick make sense with the labels I initially submitted, so I didn't change the intent behind my submission (ie, I would have had to choose to explode with my first post, not my last) which is all that matters.

[Dwlee99]

Yes I am setting up an elimination on you right now why is that scummy?

[StrangeMatter]

Yes I am setting up an elimination on you right now why is that scummy?

Because it’s well within your scum range at this point to me and is textbook scumplay to set scummy town up for an elim who is easy to go through with?

[Dwlee99]

So the fact that I'm casing you is scum-indicative? Is that what you're arguing?

[StrangeMatter]

Yes.

I’ve seen you do this before don’t act like you have’s done this before lol.

[StrangeMatter]

I gotta go now I need to work but I want people to actually think about this.

[Dwlee99]

Yes I can case people as scum are you really suggesting I don't also do it as town? Why wasn't me casing mala me setting her up for an elimination yesterday then?

[Bell]

I think if I was scum here and wanted to kill Andres I would have just... done that. And not even submitted info. I already had stated reason enough in the bomb squad anyway to not solve the bomb (I felt like if we solved it then we would have to lim VPB and I didn't want to do that). Strange had literally no progression during the night phase. I was actually a little skeeved out by how when I chose to give info both strange and vpb pretty much immediately followed

Yes, I'm sure we would have been very understanding when Andre's flipped doc and wouldn't have blamed you at all.

[Dwlee99]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13270224

If you read this ELO you'll see this is just called how I argue and your argument might as well be that because I breathe as scum that I am scum here for breathing

[Dwlee99]

I think if I was scum here and wanted to kill Andres I would have just... done that. And not even submitted info. I already had stated reason enough in the bomb squad anyway to not solve the bomb (I felt like if we solved it then we would have to lim VPB and I didn't want to do that). Strange had literally no progression during the night phase. I was actually a little skeeved out by how when I chose to give info both strange and vpb pretty much immediately followed

Yes, I'm sure we would have been very understanding when Andre's flipped doc and wouldn't have blamed you at all.

People in the hood weren't exactly appalled by me saying I might not solve. And VPB suggested not solving too.

[Bell]

You're all silly then.

[StrangeMatter]

Unlike that you’ve said things that to me, makes it look exactly like an intentional setup. Not to mention it just doesn’t seem to me like you believe you believably think hard that I’m scum at this point either unlike with Frogs.

[Dwlee99]

There's part of my brain that is paranoid of VPB for sure but you're not exactly being townie so why do you expect me to think that it's him

[Dwlee99]

The only thing that could be interpreted as "intentional setup" would maybe be me saying I think you're the most likely person to explode the bomb in the squad. But you haven't explained why I wouldn't also just think you're more likely scum than VPB as town.

Like I guess I keep tiptoeing around actually calling out what's wrong with your argument so to be explicit: you can't just argue I've done something as scum, you have to argue why you don't think I'd do something as town. Or why it's more likely I do something as scum than town.

[VP Baltar]

As much as I would believe that, I literally explained in PT, why I thought that it wasn’t believing they were town, rather based on mechanics and an interaction that I noted.

I am not seeing any mechanics discussion from you in the PT. Which post number are you referring to?