KTaNE [game over!]

[Bell]

I think you mean the opposite of what you're saying,

I.e, Dwlee first decided to spare before getting yelled at in the scum PT and changing their answer.

[StrangeMatter]

Either is kinda tinfoily anyways, but I still meant that.

Still I'm thinking and it has to be at least one of us, and I know it wasn't me who gave the wrong information.

[StrangeMatter]

@GuiltyLion, why do you think that Dwlee wouldn't bus Malakittens? In fact, I really want you to explain your Dwlee townread.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Why did each person in the hood decide to save Andres?

I pressed andres reasonably hard about things in his play I found scummy and told him straight up that I went back and forth on whether I thought he should live. His responses were fairly AtE, but I could see them from a town perspective potentially and was leaning that way after the questions.

I also did some math on each of the scum win cons and how close they were to either, and decided that even if he was scum seeking their first defusal, it is about even for scum seeking either wincon at that point in terms of amount of days they have to play. So, I figured we get more info if we let him live than if we agreed to kill him.

How was his play in the PT any different from here in the game thread

[Cephrir]

i got it, andres was a changeling!

[Enchant]

OH NO

[Cat Scratch Fever]

You jest but everyone who gets hooded with Andres ends up thinking he's town and I'm just sitting here like ???

Except strange didn't townread him in the hood but strange didn't seem to have anythinged him in the hood

[Enchant]

You jest but everyone who gets hooded with Andres ends up thinking he's town and I'm just sitting here like ???

Except strange didn't townread him in the hood but strange didn't seem to have anythinged him in the hood

CHARISMA

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Why is dwlee scum?

[Enchant]

Eh, i just think VP is town, so i tossed coin to decide who is scum, dwlee or strange.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: strange matter

I just don't see how town would walk away from that hood without any real read on Andres and then choose to "defuse" the bomb with some left-field explanation

I also kind of believe vpb and dwlee when they say they could've just copped to blowing up Andres in the PT, since tbh that's probably what i would've done lol.

The way this played out, they basically stuffed themselves into this weird PoE

[VP Baltar]

How was his play in the PT any different from here in the game thread

I wouldn't say he was like OBVTOWN, which was the impression andante and greeting gave.

I think it was just much easier to have a conversation and get him to explain his perspective than in a thread where he was perpetually like 40 pages behind. He seemed kind of exasperated with this game and said at one point he thought maybe we should just blow him up. I am probably slightly susceptible to that AtE right now since I just finished a game where town kept railroading me over stuff I thought was inane. So yeah, I'd say it was more of a town lean for me when I could go proper one on one with him.

[StrangeMatter]

Well then I'm fine with flipping and proving everyone wrong. I just don't care enough about this game anymore, Frogs dying destroyed my WIM, and how that night went down and now I'm being opportunistically pushed when both slots would absolutely gain from framing it on me its just, I hate everything about this game, my reads are probably garbage, I can't get a good read on way too many people, and I'm just sitting here pushing someone with nobody ever believing me ever.

So you know what? Fuck it vote me out.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I really don't care for ate so Im fine with that

[StrangeMatter]

Yes I'm very much ATEing at this point not just venting.

[Enchant]

Strange venting?

That's sus for sure

[Dwlee99]

Enchant is about to do the same thing as strange with the "well you breathe as scum so"

your posts being mad about this don't rly do you any favors tho

Well unless both of strange and enchant are scum it is annoying to be called scum for literally just my playstyle by townies

[Dwlee99]

mechanically it would make a ton of sense for scum vpb to blow up here just sayin

So we don't feel compelled to flip him?

yeah

This and the strange ATE is making me worried VPB is pulling a deep wolf on us yea

[Dwlee99]

I think you mean the opposite of what you're saying,

I.e, Dwlee first decided to spare before getting yelled at in the scum PT and changing their answer.

Either is kinda tinfoily anyways, but I still meant that.

Still I'm thinking and it has to be at least one of us, and I know it wasn't me who gave the wrong information.

I already addressed why strange could verify I didn't do that. Or at least verify to a high degree of certainty. For example, if my first label was "elephant" and then the description of the button I tell Andres to push is "animal with a trunk" then clearly my answer didn't change between my first submit and second submit

[Dwlee99]

Pretty much. I know for a fact I didn’t lie but no I’m scum and people just believe I would intentionally blow up Andres.

This is such a funny post

I wish I were funny but no. I don't care anymore if I die in this game, I'm just saying what I think so screw off.

Also my reason for thinking you're just scum setup is partially that gut feeling I get from reading half of your posts and read on me (It's a muted feel about your reads). It's also scumplay I have seen you done before, and from what you've pointed out in another game, I know for a fact, that you know I'm easy to eliminate (but in that game you didn't).

Explaining the Andres not SVS comes down to a simple idea. They were arguing a lot in the PT, I assumed they weren't SVS (They weren't), and I believed that there isn't 3 scum defuses (close to the wincon scum could go for but I don't know if they are) off of this. So it came down to if we defused this bomb, the defuses would be either 2, 1, or 0 scum defuses (I really don't want scum anywhere near that wincon at all), meaning it would likely be safe to defuse it that night.

Getting really tired of repeating myself there.

It was funny cause of the "people believe I would blow up Andres" like we are accusing you of real life murder idk it's just humorous

I think if you're town you're literally just pattern matching "dwlee playstyle" to seeing me as scum and thinking it's the same when I'm just... pretty good at imitating my town meta

[Cephrir]

Enchant is about to do the same thing as strange with the "well you breathe as scum so"

your posts being mad about this don't rly do you any favors tho

Well unless both of strange and enchant are scum it is annoying to be called scum for literally just my playstyle by townies

Ya I might be projecting but I get super annoyed by that when I'm scum c:

[Cephrir]

I'm just... pretty good at imitating my town meta

So I should read you like I'd read me

Too bad I don't know how to do that :3

[Dwlee99]

Enchant is about to do the same thing as strange with the "well you breathe as scum so"

your posts being mad about this don't rly do you any favors tho

Well unless both of strange and enchant are scum it is annoying to be called scum for literally just my playstyle by townies

Ya I might be projecting but I get super annoyed by that when I'm scum c:

I do too but I also do when I'm town :^)

[Dwlee99]

andante was really happy to vote like, literally anyone other than mala after getting sorta cornered into voting her for a minute

This thing happened with Andante!town and Nero!scum in the last game I played with Andante sooo idk if it means she is scum

[Bell]

I think you mean the opposite of what you're saying,

I.e, Dwlee first decided to spare before getting yelled at in the scum PT and changing their answer.

Either is kinda tinfoily anyways, but I still meant that.

Still I'm thinking and it has to be at least one of us, and I know it wasn't me who gave the wrong information.

I already addressed why strange could verify I didn't do that. Or at least verify to a high degree of certainty. For example, if my first label was "elephant" and then the description of the button I tell Andres to push is "animal with a trunk" then clearly my answer didn't change between my first submit and second submit

If this were the case then why did you submit it twice Datasi would have just said your first submit was fine as is.