Mini 2266: GnG's Upick Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Enchant]

Mod told me.
I don't want to claim it fully yet, but it can't be used in way you just thinked.



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[jjh927]

I mean, if you're made aware of when any exp transactions occur but not who they involve then that

can

be used

1

[jjh927]

If I sent exp to Dwlee right now would you get any notification at all- whether that is my exp going down, Dwlee's exp going up, or that the action of sending exp has occurred

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[Enchant]

No, i know only what you get.

1

[Yume]

Talk...please...

[mastina]

Hello, as a reminder I am town. Probably not finishing my work tonight, but should be better going into the future.

No
This makes public who is in better positions for various actions and makes counterplay more likely, while simultaneously requiring literally everyone to post. There is a reason I didn't post my counts of everyone's exp as of eod1

Unless this post will literally nail a scum guaranteed somehow it's probably not a great decision that you know full well is going to need more participation than you will reasonably get. It's just gonna stall the game

Oh I think I

have

nailed a scum.

Just thought I'd remind the thread that giving someone in a shared hood 1 exp is a possible action, and can grant access to the engineer ability right at the start of night 1 if someone has generated 2 exp themself (read: by being on wagon and completing the challenge with no do-over.)
Use discretion for the visibility of such transactions as of course, scum also share a PT and can presumably also share exp 1:1.

This may present a rare opportunity to catch scum for embezzlement at some point in the game.

You were literally the person who said it could be possible to catch scum embezzling, with the information that

I am seeking to have

.

You were

right

back then but have now taken the opposite (and wrong) stance.

As for stalling, we know the elimination is going to be Dwlee. There is no discussion to be had there. Everything we are doing is in planning for the future. If there was no value to be had in discussing, we'd have just eliminated Dwlee--but clearly, there IS value in discussion. That discussion will involve players being active, because what else do they have to do? Literally the only options are to be active or to prod dodge. Some will choose the latter (in spite of it being antitown), but enough should choose the former.

There's no stalling to be had; there's no derailing of the game thread to be had. Discussing claims, actions, etc. is

literally the only reason the day hasn't ended yet

, and you're trying to dissuade us from doing

the thing that we are keeping the day phase open for

.

I have had a scumread on you since D2, but I didn't state it because I felt that in spite of my scumread there, you were still helping the town. That regardless of your alignment, you were still helping the town more than you were not. That either my scumread there was wrong and you were town helping the town, or my scumread was right and you were scum helping the town, but either way were helping the town.

But that "helping the town" has stopped today since now you can't afford to.

A town-jjh here would realize that, especially with Dwlee flipping scum, there would be extreme value in honing in on the last scum by using all of the information at the town's disposal to eliminate them. After all, Gypyx was scum and Dwlee will flip scum, so

presumably

, there would only be one scum left. One scum cannot have counterplay to the entirety of the town, but the entirety of the town being coordinated basically causes the doors to close in on the scum.

There's a reason that one of the main places towns massclaim in minis is when there's two scum dead (and Dwlee will effectively be precisely that).

Your insistence on

not

doing the thing that you, earlier in the game,

rightly said could catch scum

, when we know there's one dead scum and another on the chopping block today, is an outright scumclaim. (Of course you'll inevitably have some form of bullshit answer to why I'm mistaken here but my point is right here. I have felt the strong gut urge of jjh-scum since D2 since there was something "off" about his play, something "off" about the things he was saying, the things he was doing, etc. I don't need the hypocrisy/mechanics-misplay-effective-guilty on jjh, but it exists no matter what jjh's excuse for this may be.)

[Yume]

blurb.

[Yume]

Because of stuff...

I will retry the challenge

[Dunnstral]

I'd like to end the day as I think JJH has gotten any info possible from Titus about the mason shot

JJH + 1 more should vote. Maybe it should be jjh and yume voting at the same time, and somebody else should vote first

[Dunnstral]

I don't think mass claiming helps us right now. I am open to it on day 4.

[Shiro]

Oh I think I have nailed a scum

Nah you didn't

[jjh927]

Mastina, how do you think we're going to catch scum embezzling exp when there is already a huge amount of scum exp unaccounted for? The only thing massclaiming exp related actions does is tell scum who is likely to be doing revives or stealing Titus' role to get the masoniser; I don't think the information would be at all useful at this point in the game unless there is something else to it.

Is it possible that you tried to nightkill me last night, and combined with my statement that I am now literally invincible, you have come to the conclusion that you must somehow elim me?


Lemme just refute your nonsense. The scum motivation in withholding this information would be in preventing it from being used to catch scum. Surely, scum!me would actually WANT to get the information from everyone else, but while hiding anything involving me

Thing is, every experience related transaction I have taken since the start of the game is public knowledge or very near to it.

I started the game with bulletproof unlocked.
At eod1, I had 1.5 exp. I paid 0.5 to send 0.25 to TItus, and received 1 exp from Yume. I then bought the bodyguard and engineer from the warrior tree.

In day 2, Enchant gave me 0.5 exp and I entered the night phase with 3 exp. I bought the 4th tier ability from the warrior tree, which is a vig, and gave 2 exp to Yume, who then upgraded me.

Right now, I have 1 exp because Dunnstral gave me 0.75



In other words- I object to EVERYONE ELSE claiming their exp related transactions because I want to coordinate this in a way that prevents scum counterplay.



Anyway, we now need to wait 48 hours before ending day since Yume has retried challenge. I'm okay with that, and still think Shiro should probably be on the wagon at some point because it makes the exp numbers work out better

[Enchant]

Also who want 0.5XP?

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[Yume]

The night is dark and full of bunnies. ^^

[Dwlee99]

I am town

[jjh927]

Sure you are

Could you pay 0.5 exp to send me 0.25, thereby proving that we do not share a PT for the event that you flip scum, purely hypothetically

[Yume]

Hi.

[Yume]

I don't entirely trust jjh either. There is just something about them that makes me feel uneasy.

[Ginngie]

OOF

[Ginngie]

It’s even the same url ;-;

[jjh927]

Fortunately that would be Yume's fourth post, with the third being the one immediately before that

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[Roden]

Hey I don't really want to wait two more days just so one person can do the challenge. Dwlee is caught and there isn't anything else to talk about, let's not kill the game please.

[jjh927]

Roden, do you actually think Dunn is the third scum or are you just trying to hedge your bets on your side wincon

[Roden]

I think he's 3P, I don't think any scum are in my hood. If we kill three scum and the game is still going, then yeah I'm pushing for his elim. But if we can win by just killing scum, that's fine with me since it means he's town-sided anyway.

[Frozen Angel]

Ok so I had a really busy day sorry about that.

few stuff:

1 - I really want JJH and mastina to not start mage tree. So please don't. If anyone started mage tree I want them claimed today.
2 - I really would appreciate a read list from everyone with all info that was shared
3 - There is no guarantee that "scum chat" is considered a neighborhood so don't give fake clear to people for 0.25 exp shares. Guess we can try to catch liers tomorrow with that if we force people to share 0.5 exp to others for testing purposes.
4 - Do not try to vig roden. Less sure about what happens if you try vigging dunnestral. We need to somehow solve that 1v1 tomorrow however.


My own read list right now is

Shiro

JJH, Mastina, Titus, LLD

Yume, Roden, Enchant

Dunnestral

For dwlee wagon I would appreciate if we could construct it properly. we already have Shiro, Titus, Frozen Angel which is good. Guess better if instead of yume we have jjh LLD and I guess mastina there. yume is ok I guess however instead of mastina. Please share your read lists before end of phase.