KTaNE [game over!]

[VP Baltar]

Gotcha okay. Only thing I could really see Andres messing up (for mine at least) was the thing had rows and columns. And maybe if he thought columns go horizontal that would be a problem but I do not think this is the case.

He seemed meticulous in describing their placement.

The only one that looks hard to understand is the one he talked about as a rolling pin with one handle and you described as a pressurized gas in your first post. If the mod told you it's right, then I guess it is. I just have a hard time visualizing whatever andres is describing (though his description of mine was also weirdly more complicated than the traffic light and turn signals it was).

[VP Baltar]

There is no way Andres described his bomb wrong, with the defusing stuff he double checked about his solution being right, no way he messed up saying what the bomb was, this is a terrible conversation

Fwiw, I never checked my bomb description with the mod. I didn't even realize getting that part wrong was a possibility until I checked my expert answer and was told it was accurate with what was described, rather than a simple 'that is correct'

[Dwlee99]

Gotcha okay. Only thing I could really see Andres messing up (for mine at least) was the thing had rows and columns. And maybe if he thought columns go horizontal that would be a problem but I do not think this is the case.

He seemed meticulous in describing their placement.

The only one that looks hard to understand is the one he talked about as a rolling pin with one handle and you described as a pressurized gas in your first post. If the mod told you it's right, then I guess it is. I just have a hard time visualizing whatever andres is describing (though his description of mine was also weirdly more complicated than the traffic light and turn signals it was).

That was a funny description but I knew what he meant because it was so distinct

Fwiw if you look up pressurized gas you'll probably be able to understand why he described it that way

[VP Baltar]

Oh like a gas canister. Got it.

So yeah, unless he completely transposed an item placement, which seems unlikely, it doesn't seem like he messed up.

[Titus]

I may SR strange... but that's a read I can agree with (for some different reasoning though)

VOTE: Dwlee

my very brief thoughts are that Baltar probably needs to die today, and if scum flip then pooky definitely needs to die

yeah umm VP having 2 bombs worries me tbh, and going "frog had value!!! must read into it!!" is not something I really want to deal with... frog just trolled around in the PT why are you implying all 3 of me greeting andres lied about what went on??

But I don't think VP is town, and that's why his groups keep successfully disarming bombs

VOTE: VP

About the Dwlee TMI, it was mostly a gut feeling from reading their posts that feels very TMI-like but I can't really point to exactly why knowing the flips. Though I guess its also feeling of something similar to Dwlee!scum just constantly going with the consensus slots (Similar to where he sits there and allows people to just consensus onto wrong slots).

I would like you to cite actual posts please.

Not great at citing posts (or in general) but okay.

#1006
#1404
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13316311
#2810

This part pinged my gut as a little TMI-like with the read on someone I don't feel like has been neither scummy nor really townie, even checking the slot before them doesn't really give me a lot to work with.

Where's the TMI unless I'm bussing mala here?

What I mean is with how my read is on them I don't understand the scumread on them. I really don't understand the scumread on it is where it smells TMI-ey. And your read on them is mentioned often but not explained to how you came to this conclusion. Although this is with most people on this wagon where its not explained to me why they're on Malakittens, it smells a little you have something, but looking back, I might just be completely wrong (Woo, potentially more really bad reads for this game) looking back at other posts.

Though I ask, what is your case on Malakittens?

And so we chose to wagon, instead of maybe doing the more logical conclusion for any of the 5 people on Malakittens right now, to say actually squeeze or prod content out of them? Yeah, I'm not going anywhere near this wagon. If it flips scum, fine, but you can count me out of being on this wagon.

Good talk!
VOTE: Dwlee

UNVOTE:
VOTE: titus

Post or die!

VOTE: Titus

YES SIR

VOTE: CSF

HEAL: VP Baltar
HEAL: Dwlee99

not really a fan of strangematter getting healed what's up with that one

VOTE: Titus

did someone say lim titus?

i didn't exhaustively look at trajectory but not one of these looks good to me

andante was really happy to vote like, literally anyone other than mala after getting sorta cornered into voting her for a minute

i think enchant's vote looks particularly terrible

Flagging this

[Titus]

can i just VOTE: mistyx instead though

Conflicted here. I have been pleading for counterwagons, but it doesn't make sense to eliminate outside of the three people who logically lied about their votes. We have the start of two counterwagons already in Dwlee and Strange.

[Cephrir]

I mean you're kinda right but there's also probably 2 more scum in the other 10 players and that just feels more... penetrable, right now

[Titus]

I mean you're kinda right but there's also probably 2 more scum in the other 10 players and that just feels more... penetrable, right now

That's part of the reason I'm not scumreading the manuever. I abused this persistence as scum when we had a false clear on the scum in the hood. It wasn't mandated there was scum in the hood, but same principle. On the other hand, I was scum and used it as a free pass to weakly push my buddies knowing it would fail. So that's why I'm conflicted. It's arguably a good play, but that doesn't mean scum can't do it too.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

dwlee can you walk me through why you told scum to make me defuser so you could blow me up?

also did you think the group you were in was all town prior to today?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

think titus is likely town cuz she was pounding on andres yesterday and dude just caught a bomb in the face right afterwards and I dont think scum!titus does that

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

think scum walked into that bomb session with the plan of blowing up Andres - when bomb expert is mafia its basically a strongman kill so this was planned out ahead of time.

I do think Dwlee made a good point that it doesn't make sense for them to bus Mala for cred and then openwolf a bomb explosion because now they can never endgame - unless SM is also scum and they're pulling a double bus. But even then it feels like a very shit exchange for them.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I do want more Andante in this game because it feels like she fell off the side of a cliff recently

[GuiltyLion]

@GuiltyLion, why do you think that Dwlee wouldn't bus Malakittens? In fact, I really want you to explain your Dwlee townread.

I am feeling reactive to the way this question is phrased - I don't believe I ever said anything about whether Dwlee would or wouldn't bus Mala? Rather I just don't think Dwlee is scum, so therefore I don't think they bussed.

I've played a handful of games with Dwlee across alignments and I don't think this vibes to me like their scumgame. I think the confidence they had in Frog scum on D2 to the point of gloating about it isn't as natural or easy to fake as scum. I think their D1 scumread on Andante isn't a position scum is likely to take. I think their responses to Pooky's pressure was very townie in nature, and I haven't really felt them being disingenuous at all D2 or D3 at a time when it feels like a lot of people were throwing shade at them. And I think if they wanted to blow up the bomb on Andres, they wouldn't go through the rigamarole of giving bad intel and then clarifying that bad intel afterwards

[GuiltyLion]

3685 and 3686 are the first Pooky posts I've liked in a while

I currently wanna do Strange->Misty and then reassess from there, if that's 2/2 on scum then last scum probably feeling some low WIM right now

[Enchant]

3685 and 3686 are the first Pooky posts I've liked in a while

I currently wanna do Strange->Misty and then reassess from there, if that's 2/2 on scum then last scum probably feeling some low WIM right now

Funny!...

Wait. It's on serious manner?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I currently wanna do Strange->Misty and then reassess from there, if that's 2/2 on scum then last scum probably feeling some low WIM right now

Is the Strange -> Misty order assuming Strange flips scum?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Excited to hear who Misty and Titus think is scum in the group of 3

[Andante]

I do want more Andante in this game because it feels like she fell off the side of a cliff recently

Hi. Andante here. How can I help?

[Andante]

I’ve just kinda lost a lot of motivation since the Frog thing :/ I’m kinda here and reading though

[Dwlee99]

dwlee can you walk me through why you told scum to make me defuser so you could blow me up?

also did you think the group you were in was all town prior to today?

Cause I wanted to blow you up but then I was also thinking okay if they do it I can sort you in the hood anyway to see if I actually wanna blow you up and if they don't do it then shrug

I’ve just kinda lost a lot of motivation since the Frog thing :/ I’m kinda here and reading though

I know that was frustrating but we got a scum flip since then and have a ton of info so I'd like to see you give some opinions

[Dwlee99]

Okay so re: me resubmitting and why I think any paranoia that I changed my answers just doesn't make sense

So the labels I initially said were to press 3 buttons in order: Toxic, then Gas Under Pressure, then Oxidising.

The buttons I then clarified that Andres should press had the following (paraphrased) description:

Button 1: Skull and crossbones

Button 2: A paddle with a handle on the right

Button 3: ball with a fire above it and line below it

If one has seen those hazard labels you'll recognize these:

Spoiler: COSHH labels

Now if you look at the labels and descriptions they match up.

I feel like if Strange was genuinely paranoid about me changing my answers she would have cross referenced the buttons and the labels herself or have said something to the effect of "when I have time I'm going to look at these" but she didn't.

[Menalque]

Strange > dwlee > baltar

Could be strange and dwlee I guess, but that’s my preference for limming them

CSF, GL, bell, ceph, VPB all town

Pooky, Andy, enchant prob town?

Misty still scum

Titus can be scum, and is likely to be scum if only 1 in strange and dwlee

VOTE: strange

[Menalque]

If strange flips scum then we go onto misty, and we decide between titus and dwlee later if they both red

If strange greens then we do dwlee tomo

[Menalque]

vote count 3.03

• with
  16
  votes in play, it takes
  9
  to make a decision.
  
• day 3 ends in
  (expired on 2022-04-18 21:00:00)
  .
  
• 3
  players who have the most nominations will be bomb experts on n3.

execution:

Malakittens [6]:

Dwlee99, Cephrir, VP Baltar, Cat Scratch Fever, PookyTheMagicalBear, GuiltyLion

VP Baltar [4]:

Enchant, Menalque, Andante, Greeting

Dwlee99 [1]:

StrangeMatter

not voting [5]:

Mistyx, Andresvmb, Titus, Malakittens, Bell

bomb expert nominations:

VP Baltar [4]:

PookyTheMagicalBear, GuiltyLion, Enchant, Cephrir

Dwlee99 [2]:

GuiltyLion, Enchant

Titus [1]:

Enchant

Malakittens [1]:

Enchant

StrangeMatter [1]:

Enchant

not nominating [12]:

Andante, Mistyx, VP Baltar, Dwlee99, Greeting, Andresvmb, Cat Scratch Fever, Menalque, Titus, Malakittens, StrangeMatter, Bell

ineligible to be nominated:

Andante, Greeting, Andresvmb, Menalque, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cat Scratch Fever, Cephrir, Bell, Mistyx, GuiltyLion

mod notes:

• Menalque v/la weekends.
  
• the vote counter is acting weird and i'm counting votes by hand, let me know if i make any mistakes.

Was thinking this was weird if my reads are accurate but it could just be that scum weren’t around and figured piling onto the Baltar wagon would look really bad if mala went through anyway/went through today

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:
Don't want day to end

Does anyone think it'd be weird for strange to choose to blow up the bomb when she knows she is extremely likely to be the one accused for and limmed for it?