Micro 1052: Lake Melancholy [END]

[Datisi]

UNVOTE:

still on skitter in spirit but i don't appreciate unannounced y-1's this soon with enchant in the game

[Aristeia]

UNVOTE:

I should probably look at vote counts before I vote huh. ~.~

[Aristeia]

I am not awake enough for this game

[Datisi]

so i decided to open one of the pages i didn't read earlier and i see THIS and i'm like

Oh dear, i'm doing this all wrong apparently >.<

Anyways can we talk about how scummy vpb is being and how stilted he sounds ^

okay i think i get what my subconsciousness was trying to tell me

skitt's fight with baltar *really* reminds me of the fight she and i had very early on in the recently finished large normal where she wanted to pick a fight with me early but it's wasn't going exactly right so she kept being like "but guys look how scummy is datisi being look!!!" and like

this is very very much reminding me of that

[Aristeia]

I love it when you're so serious Dats <3

I don't actually agree on the point but I'll need to reread it when I am more awake

[skitter30]

the "why do you say this now" means "why do you choose to say you dislike my post not right when voting me, but after you have made like 20 filler post in between"

The rvs vote wasnt serious or based on anything (i hadnt read anything at that point), was just an initial vote that i placed somewhere

I then proceeded to read, and 13 pinged me, so i mentioned it (again, in the spirit of getting initial thoughts out early to start moving things along). Wasnf a strong read or anything, but i thought it, so i mentioned it. I *know* you've seen me do this in many prior games, so i'm not sure why you're objecting here now

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re second question: were you expecting anything other than "i'm town"??? like, you said you had "scumpings", you did not explain them at all, the person you're scumpinging told you you're wrong, and *you* are the one asking *them* why you are wrong... like that's not how that's supposed to work i think? you don't get to give zero explanation then ask someone why your thoughts are wrong.

i said dwlee's posts pinged. They called that a bad and wrong read. Are you saying i'm not meant to ask why they think it was a bad read? Unless you think dwlee was obvtown at that point, i dont understand why said read would be classified as 'bad', so i was asking what made iftbad

Them being town from their pov does not make it 'wrong' for me to scumread them at post 50 from my pov, and i'm puzzled why you're objecting to this sequence

[skitter30]

i have read the first 10 pages and my brain has started melting afterwards, so i will either return to this later or just pretend i read them

i wanna VOTE: skitter30

and if skitter30 flips red, we are nuking vp baltar literally zero fucking questions asked, their fight *really* felt like crap theatre

My vpb read was discussed multiple times in the pages you chose not to read, but ok

In short:
- his present read on me is bravado-y and is way too strong for the reasons he's giving for scumreading me, and almost feels like he'd making up reasons to continue this push
- he's ignoring multiple people's critiques of his posts (namely: fire and ceph)
- he himself is doing most of the things he's accusing me of, and ignoring when people point thay out
- his reads beyond me are shallow, notably his reads on ari/prism

How are you reading him?

[Datisi]

I *know* you've seen me do this in many prior games, so i'm not sure why you're objecting here now

i'm objecting to the weird timing (but okay, saying that you voted first and then read the game explains *that* part)

is there any reason why you are still avoiding saying why you thought that post was bad?

i said dwlee's posts pinged. They called that a bad and wrong read. Are you saying i'm not meant to ask why they think it was a bad read?

yes. your read on them offered literally no substance. then you asked them what was wrong with it. do you not see the issue here??? like, if you had said "dwlee, i scumread you because of xyz, why do you think that is bad?" then sure, whatever. but you just said "i scumread you", and then you're asking "why shouldn't i" without saying why you scumread them makes it seem like a completely empty question, because again, what are you expecting there? what are they supposed to answer to?

[skitter30]

VOTE: Skitter30

Do go on

Pedit one sec

[skitter30]

skitt's fight with baltar *really* reminds me of the fight she and i had very early on in the recently finished large normal where she wanted to pick a fight with me early but it's wasn't going exactly right so she kept being like "but guys look how scummy is datisi being look!!!" and like

No, i'm actually pushing him ...

[Datisi]

How are you reading him?

besides +partner with you, i am not

[skitter30]

is there any reason why you are still avoiding saying why you thought that post was bad?

Was a ping. Dont know why i thought it was bad. If i have to rry to put it to words: prism's thought r.e. enchant was reasonable, and that post feels under-mining-y

yes. your read on them offered literally no substance. then you asked them what was wrong with it.

do you not see the issue here???

like, if you had said "dwlee, i scumread you because of xyz, why do you think that is bad?" then sure, whatever. but you just said "i scumread you", and then you're asking "why shouldn't i" without saying why you scumread them makes it seem like a completely empty question, because again, what are you expecting there? what are they supposed to answer to?

No, i dont. I dont know why that read would be objecticely/immediately 'bad' and 'wrong' given what they had posted at thay point thus far , and i was asking what made it bad

Not articulating a reasonf for a scumping on post 50 doesnt make the read wrong ....

[skitter30]

How are you reading him?

besides +partner with you, i am not

Then i suggest that you endeavor to form a read on him, his iso is p empty and easy to read ... ^

And fwiw i am formally scumreading now too ...

[Datisi]

i'm not saying the read is wrong...

i'm saying from town!dwlee's pov, they have nothing to respond to wrt to "why your push on them is bad" (because there is absolutely nothing there), therefore scum!dwlee doesn't have to react any way differently, therefore town!skitter doesn't gain anything from asking that question, therefore why does town!skitter ask it in the first place??

[Datisi]

And fwiw i am formally scumreading now too ...

i am assuming there is a "you" missing from this post here, which like, lol ok

[skitter30]

Because they said the read was bad and i didnt think it was objectively, so i wanted to know why they thought it was bad

I dont know what me articulating the reason for the read or not has to do with anything

Pedit yes whoops

Plz form a read on vpb when u have a chance, ty!

[Dwlee99]

That's E-1 btw

[Dwlee99]

Wait I missed a page lol

[skitter30]

No i think i'm on 3
If i get to e1 i'll claim
And i would strongly encourage y'all to look at vpb and dats tom

[Datisi]

if you don't articulate a reason for your read and then ask them why it's bad, they have nothing else to say other than "because i'm town" because you didn't offer anything else and it's kinda clear that's the reason the read was bad *anyway*

[Datisi]

skitter, why am i scum?

[Dwlee99]

Depends on if you believe in results based or process based analysis skitter. Actually I think in either your read bad nvm

[skitter30]

I dont think they can judge if its bad or not if i didnt give a reason. They have nothing to base said determination off of

I dont really have anything else to add on this point, i think we're just going in circles

[skitter30]

skitter, why am i scum?

Feels like you're scumreading me for things that you oughtnt be + i dont like your approach to vpb + i think you're lack of interest in reading is scum-indicative

[skitter30]

*your ugh