Micro 1052: Lake Melancholy [END]

[VP Baltar]

i don't think a toneread is exactly accurate, although there are some tone elements. but it's also about what you're choosing to say, not just about how you're saying it

Reads fully like tone to me given your vagueness and tending toward vibe.

I mean, of course I'm nitpicking stuff to some degree. That's how the game gets going.

Do you town read skitter now?

[skitter30]

UNVOTE:

still on skitter in spirit but i don't appreciate unannounced y-1's this soon with enchant in the game

I don't think scum!him reacts this way to you being put at e-1 by me when i'm half-awake

Eh this one i can kinda see, i suppose. I dont think your first point is town-indicative tho

[fireisredsir]

Do you town read skitter now?

no. just less keen on pushing alongside people that i have stronger scumreads on

[Dwlee99]

Your defense of skitter is that you think the people pushing her are scum. That's chainsaw

[fireisredsir]

its not a defense though? like im not saying that people shouldn't be voting her

[Dwlee99]

Hmm okay

[VP Baltar]

What? You're the one who said i was lying

That is not what i meant. I said it was weird of you to say "ngl" there when you could just say "vp these posts are suss".

There is a forced casualness to appending "ngl" on the phrase. So I asked why you would need to "lie" about calling my posts suss.

... 'ngl' is a very common phrase ...
This basically seems like yoh're trying to find further reasons to push me, and its very flimsy ^

It's page 11. You want a novella?

I've already given you one with the opening lore and lore I've put in the vote counts.

Acting like you're not pushing me/Skitter in 155 is again disingenuous.

Fwiw i'm not sure she's actually pushing me, or even a team of me/you ...

Pedit i want more than you're giving rn, yes
I think if you'd like to push me you can come up with something better and more real than 'i'm nervous!!!1!' and 'i used the phrase ngl'

Even more than that if that's your strongest read i find that concerning yes

going back through skitter right now. I really hate this. Complaining about an early game wagon on you being thin and then saying that's a reason to suss me is such scummy bullshit. Of course it's going to be thin! It's the nature of the game at that point. What town!skitter should be asking herself is about my intentions and whether I'm trying to honestly figure out her alignment by pushing on her. I don't know if she's really doing that here.

The one thing that is giving me a bit of pause is her instant OMGUS of datisi too. Skitter is a good player who most people like and she probably isn't used to getting run up immediately in a game (part of the reason I wanted to lean on her quickly I suppose). So the question here is if she's just having a bad reaction as town, or is squirmy scum.

[skitter30]

Complaining about an early game wagon on you being thin and then saying that's a reason to suss me is such scummy bullshit. Of course it's going to be thin! It's the nature of the game at that point. What town!skitter should be asking herself is about my intentions and whether I'm trying to honestly figure out her alignment by pushing on her. I don't know if she's really doing that here.

- i dont think you're trying to figure out my alignment, it seems to me like you're trying to find reasons to push me
- what are your reads on ceph and fire, who incidentally called out issues with your play similar ro my own
- i object to the characterization of my push on you as a 'complaint about an early game wagon on me'

[skitter30]

Also i dont have an inherent issue with getting wagoned, i havean issue with getting wagoned for vague and scummy reasons

[VP Baltar]

Probably town
Again, kinea interesting that you're dinging me for having zero commentary and asking that question when i've said exactly that probably 4 times now

ok, I said I was going to check the receipts on this, and this definitely does not check out or at the very least is disingenuous from Skitter.

Prism raised a good point that skitter was kind of sidelining in the Prism/Ari fight and not giving much of an opinion. I repeated this and skitter accused me of not taking much of a position (when I clearly stated early on that I think Ari looks better out of it).

Skitter then was like "well it's not like you have a prism read"...to which I agreed I don't have a good read there yet. I asked if skitter had a read. And then she said the above.

Ok cool, says she has four times said Prism is town. So I wanted to check if that's before or after Prism started poking her, and it's definitely after. This is the only mention I saw that I could conceivably interpret as skitter calling Prism town, and it isn't super committal.

I'm not sure 'satisfied' is the right word, more a combo of:
Their thouhht could be plausible and i'm feeling a bit worse abt vpb now

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I dont really have thoughts on this ari/prism thing, i think they can plausibly be tvt

Like, yeah, it's plausible. Anything is plausible. Anyhow, I'll be generous and give her that one. But the next mention of Prism town that i see comes here:

Ok got it
I think this is a tvt argument and dont have much else to say abt it really

I dont think she picks this fight with u as scum. She absolutely would try to push u and flip u if she thinks she could get away with it, but i dont think this would be the reasoning she'd use, as its somewhat flimsy

I also understand why she's shying around the mechplay argument, vs i think scum-her would just push that if she thought it would be fruitful

I also think your understanding for how she'd approach this is wrong (and somewhat hard to follow) but i think you probably (?) believe it. Ot at least i dont really scumread you for it

I think its basically a tvt argument, and i'm just letting u play yourselves out so we can get to more interesting things, like whether vpb is scum

I also think that *all* the mech arguments are flimsy. People are gonna die, or not, we're probably not flipping either of u today, so honestly i dont find this very interestig

So yeah, I don't think I'm really being unfair by asking skitter what her read was when it was not at all clear during the actual Prism/ari fight itself.

[Dwlee99]

VP also probably town now. My list was wrong or I'm wrong now

[skitter30]

I'll get to that later, i finally landed yay

[Prism]

I got through the Aristeia argument again. I can understand the early stuff and actually think the distinction fits the picture, where their idea of a mistake was different than mine and there's still no harm in spitballing.

I have written more sentences about 197 on and deleted them all so tl;dr: I start drinking the madjuice and literally how do you not understand it was about the most basic level of scumteam spec.

Almost finished with catchup, that was priority #1. Not completely sold they're town but there's no openwolfing like I thought there was for much of yesterday.

[Prism]

Damn skitter actually had her flight I was hoping she'd be stuck in that airport forever

[skitter30]

10 **** hours

[Prism]

10 good hours?

[skitter30]

No, no, 10 very exhausting non-sleeping hours sitting in an airport gate

[Prism]

so 10 great hours????

[VP Baltar]

- what are your reads on ceph and fire, who incidentally called out issues with your play similar ro my own

You keep bringing this up, why?

I don't have an issue being questioned, and I've interacted with fire on this. Ceph is whatever. I started reading his post on it and it was semi-unintelligible. I'll go find it now and respond so you can put your mind at ease that I've left nothing off the table.

My read on fire right now is in the null range still. I think his dwlee push is not good reasons, and I don't think he knows how to read me yet, so that's whatever. I'll see how he mixes it up as the day goes on.

Ceph read is harder for me because I don't have any experience with him. I haven't seen anything there that bugged me though, so null to town lean I guess with high likelihood of adjustment in either direction as I get a better sense of where he stands in the game.

[VP Baltar]

also me: posting to AITA for arguing with someone who had a flight delayed 10 hours?

[Prism]

Gotta put the pressure on 'em while they're on the ropes

[VP Baltar]

Vpb why are u wagoning me?

You're having too many SERIOUS reads based on meh things.

I missed this post, but it answers a question I asked VPB. This is hypocritical at best, since it itself is a serious read based on a meh thing. It's hardly a reason to call for more votes on skitter. The whole iso dances between overconfident and distant sniping.

Shuichi (feel like we should use player names even on known alts actually) said this about me, and also mentioned I'm displaying bravado.

That's definitely true. And sure, some of it is definitely faked. Getting people into an emotional state with pressure early in a small setup an help me form reads on people. As I said before, a small game with a lot of aggressive town players is going to be a spot where scum do not feel comfortable. At least, that is how I would feel if I was scum here. I think skitter was in Mafia Revelations (could be wrong because my memory sucks). That was a LARGE setup with a bunch of old heads and I was awkward as fuck to some pressure from Albert B Rampage D1. It was terrible and our whole scum team got obliterated. Now, take the situation and put it in a 9p game with basically nowhere to hide. NIGHTMARE FUEL.

So, part of me poking around early, first on fire and then on skitter, was trying to exploit that feeling I am assuming scum are feeling. I don't care much if it comes across as hypocritical or whatever. My only goal right now is getting better reads for myself D1 so I have a base to work from.

I don't want skitter power limmed right this second if I'm being fully transparent, but I do think her reaction to pressure has not been amazing to say the least.

[Prism]

I'm pretty ambivalent about a lot of the discussions.

Town
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Enchant
VP Baltar
Aristeia
Dwlee99
skitter30
fireisred
Shuichi
Datisi
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Scum

Between VP Baltar and skitter30 I'd vote skitter. His posts are about catching awkwardness/uncomfortable tone and posturing. He found skitter's content overwrought and her reaction to votes stilted. He's not town to me but I don't see this as scummy. I still find skitter's posturing around me/Aristeia questionable and disagree with Aristeia that she'd more explicitly jump into the fray as scum.

Bottom three can really go in any order. Datisi goes at the bottom because their catchup struck me as very arbitrary in trying to push. 341 on skitter and the followup about it was awful imo. The page 1 "I don't get this" when they just thought another possibility was questionable. 353 was okay.

fireisredsir and Shuichi like, exist. Shuichi definitely exists. fireisredsir has made some points that I look at and just go "OK". Dwlee I think is fine, but am used to much more passive play (Slaughter Hour, D&C) so maybe scum shrug.

[Prism]

Also for Datisi

very annoyed it seems like prism has ignored my super serious page one scumread but okay i fucking guess

I'm trying to kill a wasp but it sounds to me like you get the read completely and just think there's a third possibility

datisi is honestly not a bad vote given second post

[Prism]

I can really vote anyone skitter and below

VOTE: Datisi