Mini Normal 2268 Game Over

[MathBlade]

So I gotta work now but I won’t join a wagon with Koba and I want whoever Koba is on to flip.

Your move Koba.

ok enjoy me carrying you then, i really don't mind.

I hate how smug you are right now.

I imagine you sitting there in your glorious enbie ness going “Ha math is the only one who suspects me and he’s such an easy discredit. All I have to do is keep reminding people I ‘caught’ Dwlee and Math hasn’t ‘caught’ anyone due to being a replace in”

It kills me how smug you’re being right now

[MathBlade]

Social argument for TicTac/Koba => Both wagons stalled meaning both are more than likely town.

This gets ignored with “But Koba can’t be bussing because…it was D2….which has no factual merit of bus.”

Setup spec argument => Cannot have 4 conf towns in a setup

This gets ignored with “But Koba can’t be bussing because Dwlee claimed doctor”

Which again has no relevance

Based on play argument => Demonstrate that it’s literally proscum and what will happen

Like I have explained Koba scum in every possible angle

I legit do not know what else to do here and it is infuriating.

[MathBlade]

So the only thing I can think of is Enchant being on the Shadow wagon then seeing who votes after Enchant.

[ShadowGirl]

My guess is they want the extra kill from the no elim. That applies for NM or Tictac.

As to why the day play today I am not sure. I was under the impression originally vig hunting but other things have pinged me more in regards to Koba/tictac than Koba/NM.

But regardless none of my scumpool are viable elims with Koba and Roden a package unit on you and no one wants them and if I push them the game turns toxic because I disagree with the pocketed townies so I am at a loss other than pointing out what will happen.

I haven't seen anyone suggest a no elim so far? tictac has expressed sheeping Roden onto me, so that would make it the third vote on my wagon. But it is true we are soon getting down to deadline.

But yeah, a sizable part of my reservations of DkKoba+tictac include tictac's vig hunting which is not needed since that scum team already knows where vig is so I am trying to see what the point of tictac potentially baiting you to confirm yourself as vig (or not) is when that pairing would already know where it is?

So the only thing I can think of is Enchant being on the Shadow wagon then seeing who votes after Enchant.

I mean, pretty much a guarantee that NM just hammers me in that scenario if Enchant is the third vote on me since it's... NM. (Or whoever the third vote might be.)

I feel your frustration, Math, because I think spiritually we're in a similar emotional place but for different people lol

[DkKoba]

So I gotta work now but I won’t join a wagon with Koba and I want whoever Koba is on to flip.

Your move Koba.

ok enjoy me carrying you then, i really don't mind.

I hate how smug you are right now.

I imagine you sitting there in your glorious enbie ness going “Ha math is the only one who suspects me and he’s such an easy discredit. All I have to do is keep reminding people I ‘caught’ Dwlee and Math hasn’t ‘caught’ anyone due to being a replace in”

It kills me how smug you’re being right now

you literally discredited my reads as trash when my PoE was perfect in Mini Normal bunnies so more like im sitting here seeing you get what you deserved after that statment there as i had to watch you drive several mislimes

[tictac]

Well that's correct.

huh. i thought 0-shot was a crumb

[tictac]

I'm of a similar mind to agree with Roden in his post about his points as to DkKoba being town, which is that the D2 play felt early if scum (rather than why not do it D3, for instance?), and that I think it's a combination of that scum might be hoping town votes them out because of the paradox of "how can they be alive if they're town" and due to my thoughts in my longer previous posts about what their reads were on certain players and how scum likely wanted them around to push them those people. DkKoba as scum is not something that is entirely out of the realm of possibilities, but in general, I still prefer the resolution of the 1vs1 of me/NM to be done today rather than to be left for ELO, because that route feels safer for town rather than for instance potentially mislimming the town rolecop. And NM scum to me is something that I feel far more certain about than any other possibilities.

I fail to see how the day has any relevance. 2 masons a vig and a rolecop (ungated) vs any scum set up can’t exist
Vs
2 masons a vig vs rolecop makes for a mighty fine setup.

3 masons 3 goon is the balance in 13p, this is 12p.

[NorwegianboyEE]

[2] Not_Mafia: ShadowGirl, Not_Mafia
[2] ShadowGirl: Roden, DkKoba
[1] MathBlade: tictac
[1] DkKoba: MathBlade

[1] Not voting: Enchant

With 7 players alive, 4 votes are needed for an elimination.

D3: deadline: (expired on 2022-04-15 04:25:15)

[tictac]

tictac has expressed sheeping Roden onto me

sheeping roden wherever actually

[tictac]

Well that's correct.

huh. i thought 0-shot was a crumb

and that's the real answer 4 u shadow on "main point on enchant-town".
enchant-town cause that post would 100% draw a shot from real vig if enchant wasn't it.

[MathBlade]

Yet no one votes Shadowgirl proving my point…

[Enchant]

VOTE: Koba

Can afford.

[MathBlade]

I'm of a similar mind to agree with Roden in his post about his points as to DkKoba being town, which is that the D2 play felt early if scum (rather than why not do it D3, for instance?), and that I think it's a combination of that scum might be hoping town votes them out because of the paradox of "how can they be alive if they're town" and due to my thoughts in my longer previous posts about what their reads were on certain players and how scum likely wanted them around to push them those people. DkKoba as scum is not something that is entirely out of the realm of possibilities, but in general, I still prefer the resolution of the 1vs1 of me/NM to be done today rather than to be left for ELO, because that route feels safer for town rather than for instance potentially mislimming the town rolecop. And NM scum to me is something that I feel far more certain about than any other possibilities.

I fail to see how the day has any relevance. 2 masons a vig and a rolecop (ungated) vs any scum set up can’t exist
Vs
2 masons a vig vs rolecop makes for a mighty fine setup.

3 masons 3 goon is the balance in 13p, this is 12p.

So three confirmed town and no invest is 13P
So how do you figure 3 confirmed town + invest + death in 12P?

Are you listening to yourself? Oh wait you’re scum.

[DkKoba]

Ok nevermind Mathblade is scum rofl

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Koba

Can afford.

can you just trust me >.>

[ShadowGirl]

Ok nevermind Mathblade is scum rofl

So you think tictac was bus-ing? Or what would be the reasoning for their vig argument?

[Enchant]

VOTE: Koba

Can afford.

can you just trust me >.>

I want tho but i fear tho.

[tictac]

So three confirmed town and no invest is 13P
So how do you figure 3 confirmed town + invest + death in 12P?

Are you listening to yourself? Oh wait you’re scum.

2 masons+vig = 3 conf + swing - missing townie(=missing yeet)

rolecop is a named townie if someone doesn't fakeclaim.

would i be happier without a rolecop-claim? sure.
does it weight more than 2-scum neighborhood u postulatin? no.

[tictac]

Ok nevermind Mathblade is scum rofl

So you think tictac was bus-ing? Or what would be the reasoning for their vig argument?

unless u mean ench-town, i'm not aware that i've made an argument about vigs.

wanted to wait to see if roden became clearer on what he wants, but going to bed soon so..

VOTE: shadow

[tictac]

VOTE: Koba

Can afford.

can you just trust me >.>

I want tho but i fear tho.

u r a vig. use gun.

[ShadowGirl]

Ok nevermind Mathblade is scum rofl

So you think tictac was bus-ing? Or what would be the reasoning for their vig argument?

unless u mean ench-town, i'm not aware that i've made an argument about vigs.

wanted to wait to see if roden became clearer on what he wants, but going to bed soon so..

VOTE: shadow

That was just a shorthand about your back and forth with Math on pages 80-81.

Also don't think tictac ever came to explain what they meant about this:

This is exactly what scum rb said in mini normal 2046.

I don't even remember that you offered to lynch january on day 1... was january your town read at that point?

well, I think 'follow the conftown' is a pretty commonsense strat so not surprising that other people have thought about it too.
and yes, I did tr january at the time.

this is possibly the scummiest thing you've said

okay. I still think it's a good strat tho.

VOTE: Zenith

pre-empting predictable response from shadow

Anyways, before NM likely swoops in to hammer, my legacy read is NM + tictac.

[NorwegianboyEE]

[3] ShadowGirl: Roden, DkKoba, tictac
[2] Not_Mafia: ShadowGirl, Not_Mafia
[2] DkKoba: MathBlade, Enchant

With 7 players alive, 4 votes are needed for an elimination.

D3: deadline: (expired on 2022-04-15 04:25:15)

[Roden]

UNVOTE:

I changed my mind. I think I want to do NM or Math now.

I took a step back because I was starting to think the team could be Shadow/Math. Both of them are staking their lives on a 100% scum read and even offering to flip first, which is...kinda crazy. But Shadow has made some posts that don't feel aligned, and Math feels a bit pockety.

[Roden]

Shadow why are you so convinced NM is scum?

Math why are you so convinced Koba is scum?

[MathBlade]

Shadow why are you so convinced NM is scum?

Math why are you so convinced Koba is scum?

These are the main reasons. Let me know if you want any more in depth as I have explained most if not all of these in depth.

1) Initial skims Koba pinged me for tone and meta usage while claiming a guilty on Dwlee.
2) It is my belief that whoever “won” D2 was staged in such a way that the “winner” would be locktown
3) Setup spec. 3 masons (read 3 conf town) and no scum power is known balance for 13P as mentioned by more than just myself. Therefore 3 conf town (2 masons + vig + invest) versus no group scum is unbalanced. If you add any PRs to scum then you end up with Koba turning into a cop if town which is even worse.
4) Vote mechanisms/challenges. It’s no coincidence that when I told Koba to put up or shut up Tic Tac voted Shadow. They don’t want Koba flipped so instead of going for a no elim to take you out then Enchant they have to push for an elim.

I specifically challenged Koba and noted the dilemma to force scum to act.