Micro 1052: Lake Melancholy [END]

[Aristeia]

Ok, so your argument is optimal town play in this setup is ascetic claims, mailman doesn't claim and tests N1, confirms nature of ascetic and town assumes scum wouldn't claim ascetic, ergo, claimed is townie?

I suppose I can see that. What do you think about prism automatically going to 2 ascetics?

no

my argument is that "if we have a town mailman and a town ascetic, then town mailman's job is to send a message to the ascetic and once it fails, it confirms that the ascetic is indeed (probably) an ascetic"

idk where you're getting the idea of "also scum wouldn't claim ascetic" from my post there

i have absolutely no thoughts on that because i hate mechanical setup specc like that and i can read absolutely nothing of prism's alignment from that

a town mailman can't confirm the existence of an ascetic, it can only look for one that is hiding.

[VP Baltar]

@vpb: sooooooo had you even read my posts when you said that i had no commentary on the ari/prism thing?

Also now that you've read them, you're moving the goalposts from: zero commentary on the argument to none until prism prodded me to my posts about the argument were weak ...

Also 240 is a direct response to 238, where prism questioned how i was reading her based on the ari/prism argument ...

I'm not moving the goal posts. Jesus. This is what I mean by you're being disingenuous.

When I said zero commentary, I clearly meant "little of substance" and not "have you literally ever said one thing about this." I tried to good faith this discussion by even acknowledging I was being hyperbolic in my verbiage.

To come back and pretend the posts you cited are some clear demonstration of you taking decisive stances I am ignoring is laughable. Anyone can click on those posts and see they are waffley except the one I acknowledged could be genuinely interpreted as you saying something.

[fireisredsir]

skitter feels mostly like the skitter im used to, but i have 2 completed games with skitter and in both she was scum

I'm not following what you're saying here. You only have played with scum skitter and you are saying she is playing like that, and you unvote?

I have to be misreading something here

i unvoted dwlee

[Aristeia]

@vpb: sooooooo had you even read my posts when you said that i had no commentary on the ari/prism thing?

Also now that you've read them, you're moving the goalposts from: zero commentary on the argument to none until prism prodded me to my posts about the argument were weak ...

Also 240 is a direct response to 238, where prism questioned how i was reading her based on the ari/prism argument ...

I'm not moving the goal posts. Jesus. This is what I mean by you're being disingenuous.

When I said zero commentary, I clearly meant "little of substance" and not "have you literally ever said one thing about this." I tried to good faith this discussion by even acknowledging I was being hyperbolic in my verbiage.

To come back and pretend the posts you cited are some clear demonstration of you taking decisive stances I am ignoring is laughable. Anyone can click on those posts and see they are waffley except the one I acknowledged could be genuinely interpreted as you saying something.

tfw vpb claims hes not doing something and then clearly explains that he is actually doing it.

[fireisredsir]

the important thing (maybe) is that either way he thinks he isn't doing it

[VP Baltar]

Ho ho GOTTEM

[Datisi]

okay i am KIND OF caught up but not really because my eyes are glazing over the skitter/vpb fight and i hate it

it's mostly the fact that i cannot remember the last time i saw vpb be this aggressive this early. i don't know. something feels off. should i be checking older games? i should but like that's one thing that's pinging me weird

the other issue i have is that skitter... seems to be really REALLY into making anything i say be scummy? like, i didn't immediately shit out a read on vp. on a day i said i will be busy. so what. that's "ignoring a central point of the game". are you fucking kidding me. knowing that (1) her datisi-partner reads are incorrect like that (as seen in pick your poison) and (2) knowing that towntisi just doesn't always have reads on everything (as explained in pick your power).

[Datisi]

idk
someone pls interact with me directly my brain cannot understand this game as is

[fireisredsir]

idk
someone pls interact with me directly my brain cannot understand this game as is

hi

what do you think of dwlee

[skitter30]

To come back and pretend the posts you cited are some clear demonstration of you taking decisive stances I am ignoring is laughable.

I literally had definitive stances in the posts you quoted and read through

I'll drop this now cuz we're going in circles but yeah

[VP Baltar]

skitter feels mostly like the skitter im used to, but i have 2 completed games with skitter and in both she was scum

I'm not following what you're saying here. You only have played with scum skitter and you are saying she is playing like that, and you unvote?

I have to be misreading something here

i unvoted dwlee

Ah right, you moved it

[skitter30]

the other issue i have is that skitter... seems to be really REALLY into making anything i say be scummy? like, i didn't immediately shit out a read on vp. on a day i said i will be busy. so what. that's "ignoring a central point of the game". are you fucking kidding me. knowing that (1) her datisi-partner reads are incorrect like that (as seen in pick your poison) and (2) knowing that towntisi just doesn't always have reads on everything (as explained in pick your power).

I dont know if you're partners with vpb
But you have suspicious interactions woth someone i'm scumreading, so i'm going to call that out

And wrt the second point: fair enuf, i'll drop that
Hope you enjoyed the day with ur friend

[Prism]

[Aristeia]

idk
someone pls interact with me directly my brain cannot understand this game as is

did you roll town Dats?

[Aristeia]

the important thing (maybe) is that either way he thinks he isn't doing it

this is true

[Aristeia]

actually on second thought it's not actually AI for him because scum!him also wouldn't believe he's done anything wrong

[Prism]

515 is basically where I was this morning, even before all this shit lmao

Maybe the approach itself w/ the focus on perceived awkwardness and the like is town, but again, shrug

[Datisi]

idk
someone pls interact with me directly my brain cannot understand this game as is

hi

what do you think of dwlee

slightly townie for townreading me while beign aware of my Mad Mafia Skills

idk
someone pls interact with me directly my brain cannot understand this game as is

did you roll town Dats?

yes

[fireisredsir]

actually on second thought it's not actually AI for him because scum!him also wouldn't believe he's done anything wrong

thats what I meant by "either way"

[VP Baltar]

Shuichi, you still content with your dwlee vote?

[Shuichi Saihara]

Meh. But I cant be here much more today so I can't really turn that meh into a switch or a yes.

[Prism]

I feel like I am going to have to meta all of Baltar, Cephir, and fireisredsir to have any idea how to read them and I straight up do not want to do that

My other idea is just burn the skitter and honestly good chance it works good but god help us all if it doesn't and that approach would probably tilt her off the end of the earth.

[VP Baltar]

I feel like I am going to have to meta all of Baltar, Cephir, and fireisredsir to have any idea how to read them and I straight up do not want to do that

Do you typically meta all the players you are less familiar with in games? That seems like a lot of work for marginal returns

[fireisredsir]

i do!

[skitter30]

My other idea is just burn the skitter and honestly good chance it works good but god help us all if it doesn't and that approach would probably tilt her off the end of the earth.

I mean it probably wont *tilt* me but i'll make it my mission before i go to get all of u to strongly consider vpb and dats afterwards