Micro 1052: Lake Melancholy [END]

[fireisredsir]

i am also

vla until monday

will prob be able to pop in now and then but likely won't be caught up

[VP Baltar]

Shockingly that is actually +town for Enchant because he's not reading the fake PM as scum lmao

i don't get this read bc the sample role pm is unspoiled in the ruleset, i don't know if prism really thinks that scum!enchant isn't gonna like, accidentally glance over it and see that the colour of the role is different than usual

I'm rereading the game this morning, so apologies now if I am referencing ancient posts from two days ago.

What's funny about this is both Prism and Datisi are on weird points here. When I read Enchant's "green PMs" post, I landed on it probably being +town too, but not for the reason Prism did. I assumed Enchant was gambiting to see if anybody leaped out to all him scum for it.

So that seems off for prism to instead assume he's town bcause he didn't read the sample PM.

And then Datisi takes a different approach to questioning Prism, instead pointing to there being no way Enchant could have missed the PM color in the ruleset. Which, I guess I agree with, but not the thing I would find weird about Prism's point there. The thing that is weird is not seeing the somewhat obvious play Enchant was making.

Enchant, can you clarify your intention with the "scumslip speedrun" post?

[Dwlee99]

I bet enchant was just having funny moment

[Dwlee99]

I'm not sure Enchant plays with goals like that in mind

[fireisredsir]

So that seems off for prism to instead assume he's town bcause he didn't read the sample PM.

i think this is a misinterpretation

[VP Baltar]

I didnt dats like one post.

This actually is a weird post if you read the first two pages again. Hmm.

[VP Baltar]

So that seems off for prism to instead assume he's town bcause he didn't read the sample PM.

i think this is a misinterpretation

what is your interpretation.

[VP Baltar]

I'm not sure Enchant plays with goals like that in mind

I mean, it was funny. I laughed. But Enchant could also be seeing if it nets anything? Seems like a longshot in this playerlist of course, but I think Enchant actually says and does smart things at times when I see him play.

Maybe I project motive where there is none though. Who knows.

[Datisi]

The thing that is weird is not seeing the somewhat obvious play Enchant was making.

i think you're seeing things that actually aren't there because you assume enchant's play follows any kind of logic

why is that skitt post weird again?

[fireisredsir]

So that seems off for prism to instead assume he's town bcause he didn't read the sample PM.

i think this is a misinterpretation

what is your interpretation.

enchant made a joke about how they were scumslipping by calling the role pm green

the town role pm was blue

there was a sample pm posted by mod, which was blue

prism says that enchant doesn't know to make that joke as scum bc that would mean they would need to have read the mod post and seen the blue sample pm

[VP Baltar]

why is that skitt post weird again?

Just that nothing clearly seemed to prompt it. There wasn't a lot going on there, and nothing you said to that point was strange.

I know you two got into this more in depth recently, so I'll look forward to reading that with fresh eyes.

[fireisredsir]

maybe that was what you were saying? but it sounds like you're saying the argument is "didn't read the sample pm, therefore, town"

[VP Baltar]

I think whether OMGUS is scummy or not depends on the person and how they do it.

What is your assessment of skitters OMGUS this game?

[VP Baltar]

maybe that was what you were saying? but it sounds like you're saying the argument is "didn't read the sample pm, therefore, town"

I think we're in the same neighborhood at least. I see what you're saying though.

[Shuichi Saihara]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=82512

He's talking abt this one. I would again like to point out that its different from whatever he thinks i'm doing to you here, in that that one my partner was hevily under fire, so i just bussed hard (maybe after coming back from vla idk)

And this one if i'm partners with u i'd have just decided to randomly start bussing you as my first oush of the game, which i wouldnt do ...

Noted. I mean, I obviously know we aren't partners, so there is already a lack of merit there.

What I am looking for is the exact conditions the bussing started under. One of course busses when a buddy is going down regardless, which is definitely different than what datisi is describing, which is bus as an optimal strategy in micro games (which I don't agree with at all).

I'll give this a look later today. Thanks.

Why is this exercise interesting to you? Since as you pointed out, you should know skitter is not bussing you.

[VP Baltar]

I think I should just claim this.

I am a town novice mailman

and I can't think of any utility for my role except for catching a scum ascetic

and Prism claimed Ascetic.

Someone help me

Can I get your follow up thoughts on your claim and Prism's role now that we have discussed it more?

I'm also thinking more about the gated nature of your mailman claim, and thinking maybe that does fit with a town ascetic? Like, town ascetic claims D1, and town needs to decide to yeet them or not. Mailman then has a decision: Do I out D1, or try to keep quiet and test if this person is ascetic tonight by my action failing.

It seems kind of pointless, but maybe that distraction plays with other PRs or something?

Are you still as convinced as you were that mechanically Prism's role doesn't fit with yours as town?

[VP Baltar]

Why is this exercise interesting to you?

Because I want to understand Datisi's thought process to see if it's genuine or not.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I think whether OMGUS is scummy or not depends on the person and how they do it.

What is your assessment of skitters OMGUS this game?

I think I'd need to reread your argument to answer this, which I should probably do anyway, although analyzing 1v1s is something I am not skilled at.

[Datisi]

test if this person is ascetic tonight

novice can't act on n1

[Shuichi Saihara]

Why is this exercise interesting to you?

Because I want to understand Datisi's thought process to see if it's genuine or not.

Thought so and I'm astounded by the effort level.

[Datisi]

I am inclined to think Datisi is town right now

what made you think this

[VP Baltar]

test if this person is ascetic tonight

novice can't act on n1

Right, following night. So further decision on mailman's part

[VP Baltar]

Why is this exercise interesting to you?

Because I want to understand Datisi's thought process to see if it's genuine or not.

Thought so and I'm astounded by the effort level.

Being called a lazy fuck hurts, damn.

[Datisi]

Okay fire's point on me feels not made up as in they actually believe it even though I find the premise (that I should have a specific post in mind for "VP doing stuff" before asserting that he would do stuff) wrong.

also is there anything specific that gave you the feels that he's Genuinely scumreading you?

[Enchant]

Why is this exercise interesting to you?

Because I want to understand Datisi's thought process to see if it's genuine or not.

Thought so and I'm astounded by the effort level.

Being called a lazy fuck hurts, damn.

Not really.