Mini 2270: Spring Fling!

[Bell]

Sounds fair noraa. Thanks. You’re doin a good job if you’re scum this game.

[Cephrir]

I had sort of forgotten what scum dunn looked like for a moment but then i saw this post. There's so much wrong with this one tiny post.
"I dont think Bell looks bad here but ..."
no, town dunn doesnt say that. town dunn just says ok stop with bc about bell posting = bell town

the entire read on me was way too smooth. it was just not worded the way town dunn would do it. town dunn would just say like Noraa isnt paying attention and makes no sense.

the lukewarm read ends wiht "unfortunately" nah there is nothing unfortunate to town dunn about lukewarm dying regardless of lukewarms alignment.

town dunn doesnt soften their stances, if that makes any sense. All of what dunn is doing is not giving firm opinions and the reason is so that everything is still in soft clay form. They can play around with it. if one elimination doesnt work, swap it out for another. that solve doesnt look right? throw a different person in. that is not how town dunn works. town dunn's reads are like BAM this is what i think. Changing an opinion isnt a flow-y process, it's more of a bam this happened do you have an issue with it?

i agree with the "unfortunately" thing. that made me squint when i first read it.

i don't think i've seen town dunn enough to definitively agree or disagree with the majority of this. it does sound more like town-you than everything you've posted up to this point.

it doesn't escape my attention that putting out a believable case is exactly what you need to do to survive right now, though. is this coming mainly from thinking dunn is scum or mainly from wanting to live? this isn't a rhetorical question

people townread softer stances because they dont feel absolute. they dont feel like the person isnt willing to reassess. but town doesnt think about that consciously or subconsciously whereas scum does. scum needs to always have different options on the table because they have many different paths to victory but need to choose wisely otherwise it could be a dead end.

town only has 1 path to victory. town must have the exact scum team dead whereas scum can have any combination mix and match of town dead.

i don't actually think people do townread softer stances as a general rule. i should know, i basically put out nothing but soft stances ever

i also feel like another thing dunn is doing is like saying really obvious things.
like saying thinks like "prism is doing this ... which makes me nervous"
and the thnig is that i think that would be somethign that is obvious to town dunn. like town dunn would just be like uhh prism is doing this and expect that you could tell they take issue with it.

agh i am genuinely so paranoid i need a hydra buddy more than ever right now but i really really think dunn is scum and it's agh. i dont know im very nervous to be wrong because im under pressure and my reads tend to break under pressure but i genuinely feel like this is right.

you're making some of the right noises but i don't know if you're producing them on command. i have to at least wonder if you are producing the paranoia because i/we want to see it & im not sure it's really backed up by the iso prior to this post that you're feeling that way

should you be nervous about getting it wrong yet? if dunn was like on the verge of being dead i would find that more sensical but most people havent even dropped thoughts about this case yet where im at

hm

[Noraa]

i don't actually think people do townread softer stances as a general rule. i should know, i basically put out nothing but soft stances ever

scum dunn balances it out better than you do. if you are too soft with stances, you look too agreeable and then people think ur just scum thats ok with everyone but yourself

[Noraa]

i think dunn is scum and if i thought dunn was town, i would entirely be willing to be left out if it were me vs them.
dunn is on the verge of death. there are only 2 pairs left. Both you and lukewarm have proposed. dunn is absolutely on the verge of death.

[Noraa]

*3 pairs

[Cephrir]

Re:Nora's read on Dunn.


I have thoughts but they feel convoluted.

I am not consciously scum reading Dunn, but I am definitely not town reading him either.

I am not as confident in my ability to read Dunn as Nora is, but I do feel like there is a difference between this game and one where i was ready to hard defend him like in say Web of Lies or Shakespeare.

I kind of like the fact that Noraa is picking up a difference there as well, since web of lies we were both ready to go to bat for Dunn, and this neither of us are town reading him this game.

It is making me rethink my Noraa scum read. Which is annoying because I don't have enough of them as it is :/

this post is kinda town motivated

I am not as confident in my ability to read Dunn as Nora is

I am actually at a peak low in confidence right now in general. but i just ugh i dont know. like im being tunneled and it's affecting my read on the game in general. and dunn is one of the few people i feel like i can read and theres just a lot of internal paranoia because of the game state and trying to read dunn.

i have a lot of worries about this read because i struggle with my own thought process a lot of the times. like what's going through my head, i kid you not, is like
dunn has to be scum
what if im pushing dunn because i want to live another day
what if dunn isnt scum and then i die tomorrow because i mislimmed them
no no dunn has to be scum
but dunn could maybe say that as town
what if dunn's meta completely changed
what if im being overconfident
no no dunn is scum
oh wait i could maybe see town dunn saying that
oh my god people are agreeeing with me, so im wrong right
wait but thats not a good metric
agh maybe im overconfident
no dunn is scum

this seems like the sort of post you know you can manufacture as scum

im inclined to townerad lukewarm because of lukewarms TR on me that they have no reason to give me at all if scum.

but this post is town motivated

one thing i was thinking about is if scum dunn would have tried to pair up sooner, knowing that noraa was going to try to read him soon

but maybe rushing into a partnership wouldn't match up enough with his slow and careful playstyle

i don't think dunn would be particularly worried about noraa reading him

I think that Dunn should be left behind

propose to Mala

I don't currently trust Prism, which leaves me disinclined to let her do the sorting of the pairs.

Thinking selfishly, I think pairing with Dats knowing that I am his top scum read just kills me day 2, and I think proposing to fire results in fire getting hammer between me and Cephrir, and I am left behind today. So, survival thinking says Mala is my best bet.

at least you're honest

have a big ol feeling at least one mafia is doing the “i will be frank about not knowing what to say or think or do and i want to survive.”

i guess someone else already asked "isn't this post just about luke"

[Cephrir]

So, if we leave out Dunn, and he flips scum, I feel like that town locks Noraa, and makes me more suspicious of Dats. So, I do not want that to be a pair if we are leaving out Dunn.

you get a brownie for nuance.

[Lukewarm]

Here is a final post of Luke living his life as an open book, and then I am getting off of here for the night, and going to try again to turn back on the self restraint.

Here I was living my best life, reading through the thread. And vaguely concerned that I did not have any strong scum reads other then noraa. Then, Noraa decides to drop zir scum case on Dunn, and rock my world view, because I have had repeated thoughts on Dunn not being obviously town to me despite him having been in our last couple games, but not really having a scum read on him. Just noticing that it wasn't the same. And ze walks in saying that ze also noticed something different about Dunn, and felt like we were having similar thoughts about Dunn especially given our interactions wrt to dunn during and after the web of lies game. It gave me pretty strong "this is a similar mind looking at Dunn" and skyrocked Noraa out of my scum reads. Not even convinced that it made Dunn scum, just that zir and I were picking up the same things. So Noraa Town.

Suddenly, I am not living my best life anymore because I have no scum reads, and that is a sad life to lead in a game with 3 scum in it. So, then I started thinking about the fact that that likely means that the scum team has strong scum players in it. Prism and Dunn are both (in my opinion) very strong scum players that were both chilling in my null reads. So, I started thinking about a world where they were scum, and it made the world make a lot more sense, and why I was struggling to see red. Enter my hero solve of 582.

Boom, bam, ca pow. Dats' 587. My mind is racing. We got a scum team now fellas. That screamed partner reaction to me boys. Lets throw my hero solve away QUICK. New solve, Dunn+Datisi+[enchant/myko/Prism].

Gears are tumbling on how to live in this world. The answer: Leave dunn behind, and do everything I can do to not be paired with Dats. Enter, Proposing to Mala in 592. But wait! I shouldn't let Dats know I am on to him! There is no way for him to die this day phase, so no need to spill the beans right now. See 596. I got a secret, and I ain't sharing. ho ha.

Now what. I am proposing to Mala, how do I thwart the evil plans of the Dunn+Dats scum team. I know. Post 605. We kill Dunn! AND, we don't let Noraa pair with Dats. That will show them. But wait. People might not buy killing Dunn. What is the next best alternative? Pair Dunn and Datisi, OBVIOUSLY. I'm gonna be a good little boy, and cover my bases. Take that scum team.

Noraa posts 606, and my brain short circuits. How the hell do I tell zir why i don't want them paired without revealing my partner pair of Dunn+Dats. This is impossible. How do I stay one step ahead.

I guess I gotta spill the beans. Let my deranged thoughts flow. post 625.

Then I read dat's 616->618. And I typed out a whole thought process on how they were still partners. And then I had a flash back to that Tris game, where I wrote a dissertation on why Chaos and Dats were scum partners, and I was wrong. So, I started second guessing myself, and calling those Bad Thoughts. post 629.

And, since I was seeing those similarities, I started feeling like I should back off of the partner pair aspect of my thinking, and focus more on the townspew that come from the dunn flip (635), and that is my final conclusion of my flurry of thoughts on the whole thing.

Although, me thinking about how similar this situation is to the Tris game, but Dats not seeing it, and instead just calling me scummy did ping me all over again - but i went back to that interaction, and Dat's reaction to that was also to loudly start calling me scum, so :shrug:

I still like my town spews on a Dunn flip, but I am walking back somewhat the scum implications of the flips. We can cross that bridge when we get there.

And *bow*

You have all been privy to the hamster running on a wheel that is my thoughts.

I am going to get off of here, and when I return on the marrow, I shall try to bring back the self restrained version of myself you have all been growing accustomed to.

pedit: I see something I want to respond to, and so I shall before I get off of here.

[Cephrir]

right now i still prefer noraa be left out but i understand that i have 0 power to be involved in the decision anyways and commenting on other people's pairings is pretty much a waste of time. they are gonna do whatever they want

[Cephrir]

i see lukewarm has decided to absolutely lose his mind

[Cephrir]

tbh i was moving in a town luke direction but i feel like 657 serves absolutely no purpose other than to get townread and i don't love it

[Lukewarm]

@luke, it's not about your specific actions, it's about the overall feel your posts give off

Can I ask what my master plan is in this scenario then? If you are town, and I am scum?

Is my partner Dunn, and I am trying to get him killed today, and set up a partner association on you? If so, why would I ever aim to kill off Dunn here? He is better then me lmao. I would be trying to either keep Nora in the death crosshairs, or possibly even falling on my sword for him if I didn't think we could get Noraa though.

Or am I scum, and Dunn is town, and I am pushing to flip him today, and then literally every singe thing that I said about you being scum becomes completely meaningless because it all hinged on his scum flip, and I even stated that i would town lock you on his flip?

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Too be clear, I am actvely trying to not partner associate you any more, but your argument that I am scum doing this feels bad.

Which funny enough, is making me lean back towards you being town, because I feel like I typed up this exact message to you in that Tris game.

[Lukewarm]

tbh i was moving in a town luke direction but i feel like 657 serves absolutely no purpose other than to get townread and i don't love it

Motivation being that I have not been having a ton of fun this game, and I thoroughly enjoyed typing that post, and I chucked at myself a couple times as I typed it.

Plus, it got out the thoughts that I had been holding back from the thread previously, which normally those thoughts would have been being posted as they came.

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Anyways, if anyone sees me in this thread again before tomorrow, please yell at me. I'm really leaving my computer now.

[Datisi]

Or am I scum, and Dunn is town, and I am pushing to flip him today, and then literally every singe thing that I said about you being scum becomes completely meaningless because it all hinged on his scum flip, and I even stated that i would town lock you on his flip?

town locking me means absolutely nothing if it opens the avenue to argue that my dance partner is scum and that you want to eliminate zir. scum!you doesn't lose anything there.

[Bell]

tbh i was moving in a town luke direction but i feel like 657 serves absolutely no purpose other than to get townread and i don't love it

All I do is make posts to get town read, but you never give me a hard time about that?
Also, I am adjacent asking people to put their whole thought process from pen to paper. So.

[Prism]

y'all ain't living right in this thread

y'all need help, spiritual help

[Prism]

realized the above might be offensive in light of religious persecution of several groups, common shit posting theme of mine that I should probably stop, not at all serious

[Cephrir]

tbh i was moving in a town luke direction but i feel like 657 serves absolutely no purpose other than to get townread and i don't love it

All I do is make posts to get town read, but you never give me a hard time about that?
Also, I am adjacent asking people to put their whole thought process from pen to paper. So.

You must not be very good at it, since it generally doesn't work on me.

Or maybe I'm just getting used to whatever it is that you do.

[Cephrir]

tbh i was moving in a town luke direction but i feel like 657 serves absolutely no purpose other than to get townread and i don't love it

Motivation being that I have not been having a ton of fun this game, and I thoroughly enjoyed typing that post, and I chucked at myself a couple times as I typed it.

Plus, it got out the thoughts that I had been holding back from the thread previously, which normally those thoughts would have been being posted as they came.

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Anyways, if anyone sees me in this thread again before tomorrow, please yell at me. I'm really leaving my computer now.

relateable content, i suppose

[Dunnstral]

You guys seem awfully confident that I'm scum based on a fault premise

That me saying 'but' somehow softened my stance, but in reality I was talking about two different things

[Dunnstral]

Propose to malakittens

[Dunnstral]

This is being pushed primarily by Noraa and Lukewarm, both of which have ample motive to flip the elimination if they are mafia

I went from showing up 7 times in Luke's iso to showing up 61 times in Luke's iso while I was asleep because he latched on hard to it. I think we should leave Luke out.

I don't think that noraa's push is nearly as convincing as it's being made out to be

[Dunnstral]

Or am I scum, and Dunn is town, and I am pushing to flip him today, and then literally every singe thing that I said about you being scum becomes completely meaningless because it all hinged on his scum flip, and I even stated that i would town lock you on his flip?

town locking me means absolutely nothing if it opens the avenue to argue that my dance partner is scum and that you want to eliminate zir. scum!you doesn't lose anything there.

Scum can kill 1/2 of a dance pair anyways

[Dunnstral]

For the record, it's not true that I give softer stances as scum compared to when I'm town. And if it is true, then somebody should make an effort towards proving that instead of taking noraa at their word.

[Bell]

Don’t like that dunn left me out of the people pushing him.
That seems deliberate.