Mini 2270: Spring Fling!

[Noraa]

but i townread lukewarm more than i townread datisi at the moment.

[Noraa]

like could those posts come from scum lukewarm, maybe. but they felt genuine as fucking hell.

[Dunnstral]

3. You tried to substantiate that

Yeah, I did. And I'm asking Noraa to

substantiate

their claims too

Changing the word from prove to substantiate doesn't change what is going on here. I think substantiate is a better word, your complaints here seem to be that I didn't have mechanical proof a la cop guilty or similar in that game but it's clear that what I did there is what I am asking noraa to do here

This doesn’t sound like a joke to me? But, it’s midnight. I’ll ignore it.

It's not a joke

I'm pointing out that you went from criticizing me for 206 and here you are discussing whether a cop guilty constitutes proof or not in a game of forum mafia

The above was a joke

[Dunnstral]

like could those posts come from scum lukewarm, maybe.

Good enough for me

[Noraa]

like could those posts come from scum lukewarm, maybe.

Good enough for me

why is lukewarm scum?

[Noraa]

also im not a fan of you wanting to 1v1 lukewarm for mala and now trying to get it so that you can take datisi and have me 1v1 lukewarm instead ... like im sorry but that's kind of ....... scummy?

[Dunnstral]

How about you answer what I asked of you instead of barraging me with new questions that you don't care about

-Substantiate your read
-Explain why you are against yourself pairing with mala after I pointed out that it both blocks me and gets you with somebody else
-Explain what you mean when you say that mala both needs to not make any impulsive decisions but also "decide quickly"
-Explain how Ydrasse and fireisredsir townreading me makes my elimination "hard" and more likely to be scum

[Noraa]

i've cased you but you have never cased lukewarm. even the field first and i'll answer your questions

[Bell]

I wasn’t criticizing, sorry if I came off that way. I was teasing you while chewing on whether the roboticism was AI or not.

Er, it doesn’t meet the definition of an argument for a cop. It’s proof to the cop. But it’s not proof to anybody else because there’s no evidence.

I sort of wasted the last hour of my life. I have nobody to blame but myself.
Good night all. May you dance with the one of your dreams.

[Dunnstral]

Let's get the timeline right first, because otherwise it makes it look like I'm the one being reactionary here

-I first explain what I am thinking in post 203. At this point Cephrir has not posted yet, but I ignore them and say that Noraa is meh and Lukewarm is scummy
-Noraa then claims I am 'scum' then gives reasoning which I argue is untrue
-Lukewarm then follows up on this and says that the scumteam is Dunnstral + Datisi. They have a second wind and they work on preflip associations but something feels off about the way they are interacting with Datisi to me.
-I point out that both Noraa and Lukewarm may have impure motivations for this sudden shift in re, because the town was on a trajectory to eliminate between Noraa and Lukewarm
-I don't think it's particularly likely that you are both mafia together, but having 1 as mafia makes sense to me.

[Noraa]

How about you answer what I asked of you instead of barraging me with new questions that you don't care about

-Substantiate your read
-Explain why you are against yourself pairing with mala after I pointed out that it both blocks me and gets you with somebody else
-Explain what you mean when you say that mala both needs to not make any impulsive decisions but also "decide quickly"
-Explain how Ydrasse and fireisredsir townreading me makes my elimination "hard" and more likely to be scum

im not doing the first until you case lukewarm.
how does it block you? it gives you datisi so you dont have to 1v1 anyone to get a dance partner
impulsive decisions as in DANCING WITH YOU. decide quickyl as in dance with lukewarm. i think lukewarm is town and i think mala should dance with lukewarm
you dont think scum you gets more TRs typically? you cant lie about that, like it's an overall trend that you absolutely cannot deny. also you dont think having more people TRing you makes your elim harder?

[Dunnstral]

impulsive decisions as in DANCING WITH YOU. decide quickyl as in dance with lukewarm.

[Dunnstral]

you dont think scum you gets more TRs typically? you cant lie about that, like it's an overall trend that you absolutely cannot deny. also you dont think having more people TRing you makes your elim harder?

The difference between town me and scum me is that as town there are 0-1 out of 12 tring me and as scum there is 2 out of 12 tring me?

[Noraa]

-I point out that both Noraa and Lukewarm may have impure motivations for this sudden shift in re, because the town was on a trajectory to eliminate between Noraa and Lukewarm
-I don't think it's particularly likely that you are both mafia together, but having 1 as mafia makes sense to me.

eh. this is so toned down. like maybe dance game dunn is just like this but everything is just so moldable that i cant.
like oh they MAY have impure motivations. like what.
from your perspective we're SRing you for ass reasons, how is that "they may have impure motivations" like i do not see how anyone pulls this sentence out of anywhere as town.
1 as mafia makes sense, yeah either of us being left out is fine, either option is fine. why? because you aren't trying to read us. you are trying to get the entire scum team to day 2.

like i just dont see another way to explain the fact that nearly all of your posts ping me badly, my paranoia is insane, and town is slowly being won over by you. none of this happens when im playing iwth town dunn so i literally dont understand how to explain any of this if you are town.

[Noraa]

you dont think scum you gets more TRs typically? you cant lie about that, like it's an overall trend that you absolutely cannot deny. also you dont think having more people TRing you makes your elim harder?

The difference between town me and scum me is that as town there are 0-1 out of 12 tring me and as scum there is 2 out of 12 tring me?

far more than 2, many people havent read up. the people who are even caught up are only like 5. 2 out of that 5 is pretty damn good when half the game is afk

[Dunnstral]

Now we're preflipping townreads on me

[Noraa]

are we really?

[Noraa]

i feel like you know as well as i do that people are going to townread you for the things you posted today.

[Dunnstral]

I'd prefer if that was stated rather than assumed so that I don't die here.

[Noraa]

ok let's wait and see. meanwhile, why is lukewarm scum? i have explained my SR on you and you dont agree but there isnt really much to explain unless you have questions. can you explain lukewarm?

[Dunnstral]

This is an interesting take. I don't believe you and I have ever played together, what gives you any impression on what size fish I am ? Or that giving me time will make a difference?

Is this something that you thought about before the day started, or was this your gut reaction to the day opening and Ydra's opening posts?

I think people should pair up based on their posting frequency. It doesnt make sense to pair a high frequency poster with a low frequency poster. it would be "wasting" the high frequency posts because pts can make sorting easier a lot of the time.

This approach seems so arbitrary. Is that something that has been done in other Dance Games?

[This is my first real dance game - just a marathon one time, and those are wild]

Asking a bunch of questions that don't lead anywhere is a generic scumtell, and this is what Lukewarm is doing here

I have completed my iso dives of all of the eligible ladies, and I have an issue. I did not find any scum reads :sob:

I like Ydra, Dats, and Fire all as town leans.

Enchant and Mala are both pretty close to null, but just barely perceptively higher then null for not seeming to care how their dip in and dip out would look.

Lukewarm doesn't have any scumreads here

luke is the scummiest of the bunch to me currently

But this definitely makes me feel less inclined to pair with datisi now :oops:

This looks bad too, they care too much about how their own partner reads them and we haven't even gotten past the first phase yet. As a reminder, they still don't have scumreads at this point in time, except for maybe mykonium who they talk about right after they pair

Re:Nora's read on Dunn.


I have thoughts but they feel convoluted.

I am not consciously scum reading Dunn, but I am definitely not town reading him either.

I am not as confident in my ability to read Dunn as Nora is, but I do feel like there is a difference between this game and one where i was ready to hard defend him like in say Web of Lies or Shakespeare.

I kind of like the fact that Noraa is picking up a difference there as well, since web of lies we were both ready to go to bat for Dunn, and this neither of us are town reading him this game.

It is making me rethink my Noraa scum read. Which is annoying because I don't have enough of them as it is :/

In this post they show they have a scumread on noraa from before this point, and this is who he needs to be scumreading here to survive to the next phase. I mentioned that it was looking like either Lukewarm or Noraa were being left out at this point, and this shift in reads benefits lukewarm because if scum he can get noraa eliminated after.

i have multiple issues with lukewarm's 625

first, the minor nitpick is that the "he said he's gonna do isos which opens him up for doing a new push" is weird because we're deciding who gets left out. i already had the bases down for who of the gents i could push to get left. i don't need to be doing a weird 180 redoing isos announcement for that.

then, the reasons for my 587 bothering him is ???. yeah, i didn't towncase dunn or call him town. because i had already said i liked some of his posts prior to that and because i was responding to noraa's case of him, which i said i was gonna do. why would i be dropping a towncase there?

but probably my biggest problem is the "and I think that a scum or a town flip points is enlightening towards both Datisi and Noraa" part - like, he spent the entire post talking about how dunn is scum and partnered with me, but IF dunn were to flip town, that would say something about both me and noraa. and it's interesting how it's not explicitly said in the post, but the feel i get is that if dunn greens, that noraa is scum. which like, the fact that he didn't outright say it feels like he doesn't wanna draw attention to that part immediately

actually, now that i type it out, i do feel like my instinct omgus reaction to the shade of our pair is not as good of a point as i first thought, but calling me scum over saying it's not ai for dunn to be talking the way he is feels bad faith and reminds me of lukewarm in that guardians game

not reading the pedits

Datisis points out here that Luke intends to have Noraa voted out on my town flip

he spent the entire post talking about how dunn is scum and partnered with me, but IF dunn were to flip town, that would say something about both me and noraa. and it's interesting how it's not explicitly said in the post, but the feel i get is that if dunn greens, that noraa is scum. which like, the fact that he didn't outright say it feels like he doesn't wanna draw attention to that part immediately

I actually typed out a more explicit version of

Town Dunn -> Scum Noraa, but then deleted it because I realized that I don't really know if that is true. I think I would need to reevaluate her there.

So, I actually think

Town Dunn-> Town Dats, and a need to reevaluate Noraa.
Scum Dunn -> Town Noraa, and a need to reevaluate you.

They say the opposite here but it feels ingenuine. How will they reevaluate noraa considering the reasoning that Luke is following noraa is "noraa's feelies". I'm really curious if it is even possible to justify noraa as town if luke believes what he has been typing so far.

[Cephrir]

It really only matters what the ladies think at this point anyhow

[Datisi]

tbh i was moving in a town luke direction but i feel like 657 serves absolutely no purpose other than to get townread and i don't love it

this is something that i agree with

more specifically, now that i'm rereading it after a night of sleep, 657 kind of reminds me of posts i would sometimes make as scum, where i try really hard to play the "free-flowing thoughts" card and write them all out to try to convince people that yes, i indeed have thoughts on the game and look how natural they came to me and there is no way i am scum this game, right guys, right???

also 661 is like another example of the same thing i think, lukewarm trying to fake nuance when i think it's plainly obvious that if you set up to push one person in a pair, it doesn't really matter that you locktowned the other one, you still get to push them by proxy

and his "can i ask what is my master plan" tone in that post is trying to frame it as if i'm talking nonsense and he's clearly townie and there's no agenda there when it's like, obvious what scum!luke agenda would be there

it annoyed me last night but i was about to sleep and didn't feel like getting into it then so i guess here we are.

[Datisi]

lukewarm is like the most transparent town in the world.

sorry what

[Datisi]

so i went to ctrl+f "luke" in noraa's iso because this feels out of the blue, and:

Spoiler:

right now i don't like luke or fire much

in a game sense

I agree with luke. but I have SRed Lukewarm every single game so the SR feels a little iffy. Like I know Lukewarm tends to SR me when I'm town and I tend to SR them too when we're both town. But that SR felt like a weak "replication" of what generally happens
anyways idk im not confident at all and it doesnt matter because lukewarm becomes obvtown with time if town.

lets do a little readslisteroo in no particular order

Town:
Andante
Ydrasse
Datisi

Less certain town:
Bell
Fire

Null:
Myko
Ceph
Mala

Scum:
Lukewarm
Dunnstral

Town:
Andante
Ydrasse
Datisi

Less certain town:
Bell
Fire

Null:
Myko
Ceph
Mala

Scum:
Prism
Lukewarm
Dunnstral

Lukewarm feels very scummy this game argh

everything is so explainy in an un Lukewarm way. i dont really care about their activity like lower activity isnt indicative of anything and lukewarm isnt even lower activity here anyways

ok read breakdown
prism's SR on me is the worst because it's very sudden and doesn't feel genuine. like the thing is this idea of me wanting to beat good players is meh at best in general. on top of that, prism hasn't really played with me much so having that much confidence in a meta tell like that is weird. i liked the intreactions with me re: andante pairing but pairing with andante is still something that just doesn't sit well with me. there's not much other content that can be juiced out of that pairing, but it's just ... a bad feeling. it feels like the exact move an experienced scum player would pull and I cant stop thinking that.

everyone TRing Dunn is a bad look on it's own. In what game has town dunn ever been townread this way? like if the playlist doesnt look like Cabd ffery peta LLD etc, it doesn't really happen. Obviously this is a very 1 dimension way to explain this read, but explaining it further is hard and I do want to wait for more dunn content to get the most out of the ISO.

Lukewarm feels very ... weird tonally. But I think Lukewarm becomes clear with time. So like if it's like day 3 and more than half of the playerlist thinks Lukewarm is scum, eliminate, no questions asked.

Ydrasse I initially thought was town (after all of the assuming i mean) for all of the interactions with me, but I'm actually inclined to take it back. Scum ydrasse is capable of so much that I shouldn't carelessly give a town pass before day 2 at the very least.

and now im bored and dont want to finish this. i might come back and finish things later

im inclined to townerad lukewarm because of lukewarms TR on me that they have no reason to give me at all if scum.

Mala dont make any impuslive decisions please. lukewarm is like the most transparent town in the world. Like if we leave ceph instead of dunn, that's somewhat acceptable. but it's not acceptable to leave lukewarm

it went from "luke is scum" > "inclined to townread luke because luke has no reason to townread me" > "luke is obvtown"

my first gut reaction is that if it's possible this is luke/noraa and noraa was planning to distance, but once the tide started turning against luke, ze went into protect mode because the scumteam didn't want to lose one of their own in predance

i will have to actually check if the timeline lines up so consider this a note for me for later

and also i'd love to hear WHY is luke obvtown if that's not been explained in the next 5 pages i haven't read yet