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[Flavor Leaf]

This is for you Roden. Ill choose to give you half since Koopa asked for it. I was gonna just ignore your request.

I also talked about how I was just gonna ignore Roden. That was a tactic I actively chose to see how people/Roden would react.

[Flavor Leaf]

Not a personal thing, just felt my posts had already explained as much of the Roden orange tier as I felt like doing. Anymore would cause the discussion to come away from Italiano at the time, and then Human, and onto Roden, which I no longer really even felt/cared to push. I actively chose to push Italiano over Roden, so was kinda just past it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Let's do an update

Malakittens
Scorpious
ItalianoVD

MalcolmTucker
JacksonVirgo
Koopashell

Facebones
Saladman27

KittyTacky
Roden
Not Known 15

humaneatingmonkey

This time no orange tier.

I don't really expect multiple scum in the pink tier, and the pink tier is a VERY light scum lean, but close to neutral. Like I said, I dont expect more than 1 scum in there, at most 2. Bottom 4 is definitely not the scum team.

Probably scum in my blue tier, but I'm lean towning on all 3. I expect that I am town reading at least 1 scum.

If Malakittens were scum, she's playing a strong what I shall name, Koala'ing, play. I town read her, she town read back, and just Koala her way to the end, but I town read her before she did that. and we had similar reads at similar times of the game, like the timing of the koopa town read.

Human was inverted that they didnt town read koopa during that time, but did in the time that Italiano and I both felt off on a Koopa post.

[Flavor Leaf]

no order within tiers.

[Flavor Leaf]

Actually, I can't shake the feeling that NK15 chose to bring that up because scum wanted more pressure on me because I'm pushing Human. Moving Nk15 down to Orange, and Roden up to Neutral. While the other Neutral's I have little to read on, it's not the same with Roden, there's a couple more layers, not much, and it's more just because I'm torn. Neutrals could have a scum in them.

Malakittens
Scorpious
ItalianoVD

MalcolmTucker
JacksonVirgo
Koopashell

Facebones
Saladman27
Roden

KittyTacky

Not Known 15

humaneatingmonkey

No order within tiers.

[Flavor Leaf]

team is probably not my bottom 3.

[Flavor Leaf]

it's just out of everything NK15 could have brought up, it was something so negligible in my initial Roden orange on the first tier that I had already basically retracted and stated wasnt strong, especially considering after I pushed Italiano, I basically dropped the Roden read.

[koopashell]

NK15 is my strongest villaread and it is backed up by meta...gonna need some citation.

[Flavor Leaf]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=125

i originally town read NK15's posts on Page 6, but looking back on it, it looks like their sole intention is getting the overall gamestate vibes to push Mala as scum without actually saying anything, almost nitpicking and deflecting any reasons to town read the slot.

I thought it was just early game banter before, and did see it as a little townie, but in conjunction to the move he just did now, it seems like NK15 has been playing the type of game to not let people pick up momentum.

NK15 is a big part of why the Malakittens scum push was able to gain momentum as he was like the nail in the coffin, he just didnt do the most work on it, if that makes sense. He let the townies push the townie that he fueled.

[koopashell]

I never said they were particularly accurate, just villagery.

[koopashell]

Accurate in the sense of having an effective reading style.

[Flavor Leaf]

NK15 is my strongest villaread and it is backed up by meta...gonna need some citation.

I dont care about meta because I know how easy it is to abuse meta on a dime for me to run circles around a player who relies on meta, especially if I'm aware a player is gonna use meta.

you also are town reading Human, though, so personally, I can't trust your reads right now. I will take them into consideration with the possibility you are town coming from a different POV, but atm, I believe you to be the one flipped.

And it's not like I don't know NK15. I know their mod style even, and know that they've seen me play as both town solving a game and scum stomping a game.

[Flavor Leaf]

And there is absolutely nothing here that a ScumNK15 couldnt do, if you think he's town by meta this early, you probably should reevaluate how you use meta in the first place. You're going to get danced around one day.

[koopashell]

You may be able to abuse meta on a dime but NK15 is not you.

[koopashell]

The only times I have been pocketed were when wolves broke their meta in a big way or when they do a very good bus - neither of those things apply here.

^

[Flavor Leaf]

Actually, Koopa, you're doing more than anyone to derail momentum by actively defending both of my town reads, and helping human with a vote towards me.

If you're town, that's gonna end up why you get misfaded in the long run. If you're willing to die on the hill that they're town, we might have to test that out a bit later.

You also were trying to give compromise wagons.

My town reads are the ones voting you, and I'm going on a limb to defend you, so if you dont think Human is correct, you dont think NK15 is correct, and you dont think I am at all correct.


Just interesting to put all of that side by side.

Frankly, I still think that it's more likely you're just town getting danced around.

[Flavor Leaf]

The only times I have been pocketed were when wolves broke their meta in a big way or when they do a very good bus - neither of those things apply here.

^

Doesn't really mean anything to me.

[Flavor Leaf]

You may be able to abuse meta on a dime but NK15 is not you.

I've decided the three wagons I'm okay with today.

Human, NK15, and Koopa.

In that order of preference.

NK15 might pass Human depending on how the gamestate goes.

Koopa would be a compromise for me and me putting trust into my town reads reads in a way that helps me catch scum too because my scum reads wont be getting defended.

I also actively believe there to be scum in my top half.

[koopashell]

You mistake me for a player who doesn't have good reads in most of his games.

[Flavor Leaf]

Obviously, everyone should bring up their wagons that they would like to happen, we dont need to do mine, just putting my thoughts out there on where I'm likely to vote for the day.

[Flavor Leaf]

You mistake me for a player who doesn't have good reads in most of his games.

I just see a lot of self meta talk, at the moment. I don't care about most games, I care about this game.

[koopashell]

I think we'll just go this way:
I am a PR who has crumbed their role throughout this game. I will likely resolve.

I want this to be resolved: VOTE: Flavor Leaf
I have gotten to the point where there is way too much of a disparity between our perspectives and the nail on the coffin was trying to push a PoE that includes 2 people who are actually towny.
If FL did not push for my elimination here - I would believe they werent playing a wolf game where they wanted to anti spew in a way that involves simply eliminating the people in their fake PoE.

If you think that wordplay will save you here - I wish to see you try. My perspective is town and grossly opposes yours.

If you wish to live, explain your progession on my slot *in detail* because it is my view that you have tried to manipulate me and use me as a tool for you.

Good luck.

[koopashell]

Needless to say - I hard veto your 3 picks.

[Roden]

Man, this human's obsessed with me.

@Roden - wasn't that serious

So much FL talk when I was away, that's what I like to see. Even when I'm not here, the spotlight loves me

Nah you don't get to backpedal after you made several solves that make me a PoE choice without explaining anything.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Replacing Saladman27. There's someone who asked to be on the replace list so they'll have priority for a few hours