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[koopashell]

Can we reset this gamestate
We're in too deep on this circular conversation..

okay why is FL town?

the last time i tried to engage FL he called me obsessed and continued calling me human even though i told him to call me HEM or Monkey — which is hilarious — but he is trying to get a ruse out of me here so I can have an emotional reaction and call those reactions scum.

You are so tunneled you are bringing up extremely NAI things now. Step away from the FL wagon
FL, please for the good of the gamestate step away from FL too.

[Flavor Leaf]

You've discredited yourself from having no base. I'm just having fun trolling you at this point.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i also dont think we've played a game FL for you to make that spicy remark about my gameplay?

[koopashell]

Can we reset this gamestate
We're in too deep on this circular conversation..

Human and I actually havent gone back and forth too much directly, tbh.

To be fair, he only knows how to discredit which is an issue from both scum and town alignments on their part, but it's not ineffective.

lmao projection

You keep using that word; I don't think you know what it means.

another discredit, which proves the projection

WHO CARES

[koopashell]

I'm just going to push over the more annoying one if you 2 keep going.

[humaneatingmonkey]

tell me why FL is town

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm pretty sure Koopa's town cased me multiple times.

[koopashell]

I have and continually asking me that instead of disengaging is +5 annoying points.

[Flavor Leaf]

We keep talking about me pocketing Koopa, but Koopa been done pocketed me too long ago. I was defending them when they were voting me even.

[humaneatingmonkey]

kay maybe i should put the phone away

[koopashell]

I have approached FL being town from multiple different angles and pondered the wolf angles as well.
He's in a box that he won't escape before endgame by this point if he is a wolf and that's fine! We need to solve for all the wolves not just 1, you don't need to have 1 pet wagon here.

[koopashell]

kay maybe i should put the phone away

Yes. Please return with a fresh mind.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Koopa - I can see a case for each of the 3 pushers as town, and I can see a case for each of the 3 pushers as scum. Based on wagonomics, I don't believe all of NK15, Human, Roden are town.

There is likely 1 scum in there. I am starting to see NK15 as town, though.

This means you and I are in cohesion with 2 out of 3 of them, I just don't which 2.

[Roden]

I dont think semantic disagreements is going to be useful in sorting FL. Instead of being upset in how they are playing, ask yourselves: is this player an informed party? Is what they are doing reasonable from the point of view of being aware of the wolf team?

I see a lot of playstyle/personaliry clashing going on right now and that isn't useful.

???

I understand that Leaf wants to paint it that way so it just looks like a shit fight/personality clash (no other way to explain him explicitly trying to goad me into a fight), but I don't feel any certain way about him personally. I made that clear at the beginning when he responded to my initial posts with aggression, and I informed I wasn't invested enough in the game to get mad about getting scum read.

If anything, you need to ask yourself how you got into the mind frame of "oh this looks like a personality clash" in the first place. Because all I did was ask Leaf to explain a read, and somehow he managed to get away with not answering and instead frame the situation as me just being emotional/getting tilted. It's a subtle manipulation of how you're perceiving what just happened.

[Roden]

And tbh anyone who's played with me before would know how easy it is to tilt me and what it looks like when I'm tilted. This ain't it lol.

[koopashell]

I am seeing an HEM wolf world with Scorpious based on their reluctance to talk about the slot.
I don't believe in wagonomics thought - I've seen my share of all villager wagons on a villager before. Especially on people who have played their dayplay abrasively similar to how you have here.
I want to focus on Scorpious though - can you explain your townread a bit more there?

[koopashell]

Roden - have you caught wolf FL before?

[koopashell]

And I also want you to tell me how you feel about Scorpious

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't believe in wagonomics though

I've made way too many solves using wagonomics and VCA to agree with this, and abused too much VCA as scum.

It's just scum do think about that stuff.

I see why you can make a case for going against it through the "you cant tell what scum are doing.", but frankly, yeah, you can.

[Flavor Leaf]

my initial posts with aggression

i dont believe I have had a single instance of aggression this game

sarcasm and dry posts, sure, no aggression

[Flavor Leaf]

you stating you've seen the possibiity of all town on me is using wagonomics, by the way.

But nah, scum woulda been biting more, and id have had more momentum on me if they were all town.

[koopashell]

You did have some aggression FL.. I saw it in your tone when I voted you.

[Flavor Leaf]

You did have some aggression FL.. I saw it in your tone when I voted you.

I see how you can see it as aggression, but if anything that's a reason you started to see me as town.

If anything, I might've got annoyed you popped your gum with the claim so easily for something so pointless.

[koopashell]

Anyways I don't care about that right now, I want to talk about Scorpious

[Roden]

Roden - have you caught wolf FL before?

No and as far as I know I haven't played with him before period. I don't see how that's relevant though.