Good Marrow friends. I promised a response to
795, and I hath returned to deliver.
In post 795, Dunnstral wrote:
Asking a bunch of questions that don't lead anywhere is a generic scumtell, and this is what Lukewarm is doing here
If I had a dollar for every time someone accused me of asking/answering (in other people's opinions) pointless questions, regardless of my alignment, I would have some number of dollars. And the way this is structured so that it is **technically** correct, makes me feel like Dunn is aware of that.
Like, Dunn knows that he can't say that *Luke* doing it is scummy, so he has to qualifier it that it is a "generic scumtell." Dunn and I have played in at least 6 games together that I can name off of the top of my head, but he is turning to generic scum tells as a meta way to drop shade vs saying that this is or isn't something that town Luke does.
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In post 267, Lukewarm wrote:I have completed my iso dives of all of the eligible ladies, and I have an issue. I did not find any scum reads
I like Ydra, Dats, and Fire all as town leans.
Enchant and Mala are both pretty close to null, but just barely perceptively higher then null for not seeming to care how their dip in and dip out would look.
Lukewarm doesn't have any scumreads here
I did not have any scum reads in the remaining eligible ladies.
In post 569, Lukewarm wrote:
But this definitely makes me feel less inclined to pair with datisi now
This looks bad too, they care too much about how their own partner reads them and we haven't even gotten past the first phase yet. As a reminder, they still don't have scumreads at this point in time, except for maybe mykonium who they talk about right after they pair
The mechanic is that right after the night kill, the leftover partner can offer to dance with anyone. So, I realized that pairing with someone who had me as their top scum read meant walking into a "sway their read on me over night, or die promtly" situation. Which, surprise, does not sound fun.
As a reminder, Dunn is either twisting what I said in 267 to create a narrative, or he just wasn't reading very closely while "sorting" me.
In this post they show they have a scumread on noraa from before this point, and this is who he needs to be scumreading here to survive to the next phase. I mentioned that it was looking like either Lukewarm or Noraa were being left out at this point, and this shift in reads benefits lukewarm because if scum he can get noraa eliminated after.
Oh look. The conclusion he was trying to build up to by saying I didn't have scum reads before. That I was then faking having been scum reading noraa, in order to look like i was shifting reads. I am sure that Dunn, if he thought that was true, took the time to look back at my ISO to see if I really was scum reading Noraa before that point. But maybe not.
In post 326, Lukewarm wrote:Before doing my iso dives of the gentlemen, I would be inclined to leave Noraa behind.
I would also say, that scum reading Dunn was not the scum read I needed her to survive. Noraa was. He says that it was looking like me or noraa was gonna go, but from my pov, all signs were pointing to noraa. So, No. Dropping my scum read on noraa, and falling over myself to paint Dunn as scum, was not the tactical choice I would have made if I were scum
(unless maybe I was scum with Noraa? But Dunn later argues that he doesn't think that we are scum together
Datisis points out here that Luke intends to have Noraa voted out on my town flip
I will concede to both Datisi and Dunn, that that post does look that way. Because I did originally think how all powerful a Dunn flip was, and I distinctly typed it out as such. But, as I typed it out, I realized that I think Noraa might still be town if there was a town!Dunn flip. So, I went back and edited out the section that said that a town!dunn flip would make Noraa scum. So, that line that Datisi pointed out did have that as an implication as it was missed in that editing decision.
