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[Scorpious]

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MalcolmTucker
KittyTacky
Flavor Leaf
humaneatingmonkey
Scorpious
Facebones
Malakittens
JacksonVirgo
Saladman27 *
Roden
ItalianoVD

New tiered list just dropped with a huge shift in Scorpious position

Your meta dive on me should have informed you that I hate lists..

Even more when they are unsolicited.

While i appreciate you looking at my “unfortunate meta”. I think its fair that you mention the ridiculous scum/town ratio I have established since returning. It’s really hard to find a nice town groove when every PM is red.

Saying I’m “lost” without context is unfair.
I was VT in a large that I should have not /in’d for. I was not ready for that time commitment.
And the other, yes the one other time I was town there was masons and I was indeed lost.

It’s real easy to paint a picture about someone without details. While i honestly do appreciate the almost fair assessment. I think calling me lost as town is a stretch.

[koopashell]

I don't care what you like and don't like
I'm not you and I'm not playing to appease you.
Sorting people by playstyle is obnoxious.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Scorpious being hurt here means Scorpious is town I think

[humaneatingmonkey]

Scorpious can you give me a list of people you think are town

[koopashell]

If you have any concerns about my reads or content - and not style of play, I will listen. If you wish to criticize how I play and tell me that doing X means I must be wolf - I have no interest in interacting with you, as that is the type of lazy play I detest

[koopashell]

I think Jackson's reaction to me finding Scorpious as town is incredibly wolfy.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Okay im really tired and I can't play more

Good night

[Scorpious]

Scorpious can you give me a list of people you think are town

If you have any concerns about my reads or content - and not style of play, I will listen. If you wish to criticize how I play and tell me that doing X means I must be wolf - I have no interest in interacting with you, as that is the type of lazy play I detest

Are you reacting to me?

If so this is a little much, no?

If not disregard this.

[JacksonVirgo]

I think Jackson's reaction to me finding Scorpious as town is incredibly wolfy.

I voted you for no reason outside of just to see how you would react. Which you did so poorly with a retaliatory scum read, I gave zero context in which you fabricated one instead, even after asking me to elaborate.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think Jackson's reaction to me finding Scorpious as town is incredibly wolfy.

I voted you for no reason outside of just to see how you would react. Which you did so poorly with a retaliatory scum read, I gave zero context in which you fabricated one instead, even after asking me to elaborate.

this is exactly what i felt when FL voted me the first time

[Scorpious]

Scorpious can you give me a list of people you think are town

Aside from the horrible entrance I think Mala is town.

Upon the revelation that FL is AL I have to reconsider that. Hyper posters are rough on me to figure and that’s why they do it..

You were my stretch scum early on but are coming back to town land.

Kitty plays well, and I’d like to see more from them to prove me more town.

I get zeroed in sometimes and Koopa is my target right now. Not really to peg as scum, although my vote there.
I’m just trying to figure out the motivation. Like I feel they read my meta earlier than mentioned and are starting to double down slowly because, I am Limbait for sure.

[humaneatingmonkey]

lmao it was a riff on you hating lists but i was pleasantly surprised you responded

why do you think Mala is town? what about Kitty's play makes you think they're playing well?

[humaneatingmonkey]

im not gonna sleep yet if you're gonna entertain a dialogue with me

[Scorpious]

lmao it was a riff on you hating lists but i was pleasantly surprised you responded

why do you think Mala is town? what about Kitty's play makes you think they're playing well?

I just hate straight lists.. I really do..

I don’t think Scum makes a LAMISS entrance, especially an experienced player..

And Kitty nailed me my last game with them, really a great call without any info.

I was referring to our last game together. Hasn’t done too much so far but they have proven to be capable in my eyes.

[Scorpious]

But go to bed. I gotta start doing adult holiday things here very shortly..

[Flavor Leaf]

That also implies Flavor Leaf was genuinely accurate on Scorpious' meta so there's that, although this kind of explaination would have been useful for me to reach the conclusion myself.

You kept asking for people's Scorpious' read....

[humaneatingmonkey]

Sure yes I don't think I can keep my eyes open anyway okay good night

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think it’s the most likely scenario nor do i think they’re the reasons people are pushing her.

why don't you think it's the most likely scenario?

do you think it's town!Malakittens mason baiting just to get you specifically in a safer position? this is ego talk. i dont see how town!Mala would risk outing masons just to save you, maybe you won't see this.

Nah, I can see me town reading a ScumMalakittens. But I do gut town read Mala for the reason's I've stated.

I'm not gonna vote her, though, at the expense of her flipping scum and me looking bad for it.

I got burnt too many times not trusting my gut in that last game.

[ItalianoVD]

Oh really, I had no idea April was Leaf. Interesting. I remember I played a couple games with April, I think. I remember scumreading her early because of tone and interactions, but she eventually ended up in my townbin over the course of the game and I ended up being right.

Even though it’s an alt, I’m assuming the underlying foundation of how Leaf plays is the same. Correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s interesting to me.

[ItalianoVD]

Incredibly - I went through some meta on Scorpious.. and I am shocked to find that their WOLFPLAY has more depth than their villager play somehow.
When comparing:
This wolf game from a game called Internal Affairs:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=26244
and this Villager game from a game called Polish Rap:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=26244

Also interesting tidbit I found in the wolf chat:
Subject: Infernal Affairs Mafia PT

Oh, yeah. You should know that.

I’ll be scum read by page 4. I just come off as scum all the time. I usually get out of it but. There will be a push on me. I’m just not that good at this, but I like the game so much.

Since you’re in the spirit of doing meta dives, why not do mine and let me know what you come up with.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think it’s the most likely scenario nor do i think they’re the reasons people are pushing her.

why don't you think it's the most likely scenario?

do you think it's town!Malakittens mason baiting just to get you specifically in a safer position? this is ego talk. i dont see how town!Mala would risk outing masons just to save you, maybe you won't see this.

If she is scum, it feels like too obvious of a pocket, but I see the benefits of doing so.

But I see the benefits of her play as town to koala too.

For me, she just hasn't done anything that is inherently scummy, most of the things that she's getting pushed for I don't see as scummy.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh really, I had no idea April was Leaf. Interesting. I remember I played a couple games with April, I think. I remember scumreading her early because of tone and interactions, but she eventually ended up in my townbin over the course of the game and I ended up being right.

Even though it’s an alt, I’m assuming the underlying foundation of how Leaf plays is the same. Correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s interesting to me.

Eh, I play every game differently depending on my mood and playerlist.

But there's some similarities, for sure.

I did use alts for different playstyles and test theory, though.

Pretentious
Morality
Boonskiies
Rick Dalton

are also some of the accounts I played on a decent amount of games.

Flavor Leaf is my standard just play without trying any type of playstyle.

[Scorpious]

You mistake me for a player who doesn't have good reads in most of his games.

I just see a lot of self meta talk, at the moment. I don't care about most games, I care about this game.

Fwiw, I think this is my favorite post I’ve ever read..

Can I sig this? I’m being serious… I haaate meta.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Andresvmb replaces Saladman27

Mathblade replaces Facebones

Please welcome them!

[MalcolmTucker]

Alright, all caught up.

I fundamentally really think Flavor is town here although I'm aware I could of course be getting manipulated. Need to ask - would the current state of the game be beneficial to FL if they were mafia, given how they've approached it? And I think the answer is no. The D1 conflicts/arguments here should give us plenty of info going forward and it's beneficial to mafia to fundamentally keep as much info as they can hidden from town.

I also think we'd have seen more people directly batting for FL when they were under suspicion and starting to become the main wagon. The way it's died down now indicates to me someone in mafia (whether HEM or Roden) didn't have their heart in it and didn't think it was going to go anywhere in the end.

I didn't particularly like Roden's reaction to FL and I thought their argument Flavor wasn't really being clear with their reads felt very off given the state of the game so far. But I'm not sure mafia Roden has any way to react the way they did - the push was long past and it felt like essentially picking a fight which suddenly put them in contention again as possible mafia. If you're mafia, best just to ignore and move on from that I think.

Koopa is very much towning it up now, not necessarily agreed with everything they've said at times but their logic/approach seems a lot more solid now as the game goes on.