KTaNE [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 5.03

• with
  12
  votes in play, it takes
  7
  to make a decision.
  
• day 5 ends in
  (expired on 2022-04-27 00:30:00)
  .
  
• 3
  players who have the most nominations will be bomb experts on n5.

execution:

VP Baltar [5]:

Dwlee99, Andante, Cephrir, Cat Scratch Fever, PookyTheMagicalBear

Dwlee99 [1]:

Menalque

Mistyx [1]:

VP Baltar

not voting [5]:

Mistyx, GuiltyLion, Titus, Bell, Enchant

bomb expert nominations:

Cat Scratch Fever [2]:

Menalque, Dwlee99

Andante [2]:

Dwlee99, Cat Scratch Fever

GuiltyLion [1]:

Menalque

Bell [1]:

Dwlee99

not nominating [9]:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Andante, Mistyx, VP Baltar, GuiltyLion, Enchant, Cephrir, Titus, Bell

ineligible to be nominated:

VP Baltar, Dwlee99, Cephrir, Titus, PookyTheMagicalBear

mod notes:

• Menalque v/la weekends.
  
• the vote counter is acting weird and i'm counting votes by hand, let me know if i make any mistakes.

[VP Baltar]

Q: what is the scum team doing with their no kill thingy. I can’t keep track or make every variation of possibilities.

yes exactly! where are the freaking kills. this only reinforced my suspicion this morning that something we are not seeing is happening here. I've been saying it all game, but we are so focused on the night game, we are not thinking about day play here. I'm looking at people I see who are scummy and it's not matching up with what is happening at nights. That's a huge red flag that I'm concerned about.

[Dwlee99]

2.) VP was the one with the most reason to explode the bomb there. He was both best positioned in terms of being townread the most, and as someone with two defuses already under his belt he was almost certainly going to flipped at some point, meaning if he can take out two or three townies in exchange for his life before he gets flipped it would be extremely worth it, especially since one of them was the doctor.

Did you ignore this paragraph

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Also I kind of like dwlee's wallpost.

that's a huge yikes

did you really expect them to case you when from their POV, you're already likely to flip scum anyway?

And yes, I thought Mena's read trajectory on you is bad. This has been talked about.

pronoun edit. ~D

[VP Baltar]

Let's live and let die.

I'll be back in a couple days.

For now, I have some knowledge and a plan.

gonna reiterate, if you have knowledge that helps solve this mess, please share it. I feel like we are blundering around and you're kind of toying with people why?

I'm also starting to get concerned that someone in the PRs are lying. Andante and Titus both claiming info roles now? Plus all the dead bodies, plus my role? Something stinks.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Q: what is the scum team doing with their no kill thingy. I can’t keep track or make every variation of possibilities.

yes exactly!

where are the freaking kills.

this only reinforced my suspicion this morning that something we are not seeing is happening here. I've been saying it all game, but we are so focused on the night game, we are not thinking about day play here. I'm looking at people I see who are scummy and it's not matching up with what is happening at nights. That's a huge red flag that I'm concerned about.

If

you're town, scum should only have 2 NKs total. One was Greeting. The other can be explained away by Andres' protection.

What do you mean "where are the kill

s

" (plural)?

[VP Baltar]

2.) VP was the one with the most reason to explode the bomb there. He was both best positioned in terms of being townread the most, and as someone with two defuses already under his belt he was almost certainly going to flipped at some point, meaning if he can take out two or three townies in exchange for his life before he gets flipped it would be extremely worth it, especially since one of them was the doctor.

Did you ignore this paragraph

If this was my plan, why am I not opening today trying to cut your head off? It's clearly counterfactual to how I'm even playing here. If I was scum, I have no reason to even consider you're town...and in fact, that just makes my lim more likely.

Do you think I'd be afraid to 1v1 you?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Also I kind of like dwlee's wallpost.

that's a huge yikes

did you really expect them to case you when from their POV, you're already likely to flip scum anyway?

And yes, I thought Mena's read trajectory on you is bad. This has been talked about.

sorry

[VP Baltar]

Q: what is the scum team doing with their no kill thingy. I can’t keep track or make every variation of possibilities.

yes exactly!

where are the freaking kills.

this only reinforced my suspicion this morning that something we are not seeing is happening here. I've been saying it all game, but we are so focused on the night game, we are not thinking about day play here. I'm looking at people I see who are scummy and it's not matching up with what is happening at nights. That's a huge red flag that I'm concerned about.

If

you're town, scum should only have 2 NKs total. One was Greeting. The other can be explained away by Andres' protection.

What do you mean "where are the kill

s

" (plural)?

I find andres' doc saves weird and unlikely to be kill targets unless scum are really incompetent, but fair enough on the count. Where is the other kill? If you're saying I'm scum, that just speaks more to the point I'm making.

[VP Baltar]

notice how VP hasn’t gone back to being defuser… scum team knows he explodes if he goes back, so why wouldn’t town!vp go back to defusing???

I have a thought on this, but I can't really elaborate on it without full claiming.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I find andres' doc saves weird and unlikely to be kill targets unless scum are really incompetent, but fair enough on the count. Where is the other kill? If you're saying I'm scum, that just speaks more to the point I'm making.

Maybe there's a

third

protective lol

More seriously, maybe scum were roleblocked or maybe they're saving the third kill

More importantly, I don't think the lack of NKs should be that surprising from your POV, and I think it's a possible slip

[VP Baltar]

either im missing something important or there is guaranteed to be scum in the pt last night

it troubles me that pooky didn't already say this

Can you explain this, or...?

[Dwlee99]

2.) VP was the one with the most reason to explode the bomb there. He was both best positioned in terms of being townread the most, and as someone with two defuses already under his belt he was almost certainly going to flipped at some point, meaning if he can take out two or three townies in exchange for his life before he gets flipped it would be extremely worth it, especially since one of them was the doctor.

Did you ignore this paragraph

If this was my plan, why am I not opening today trying to cut your head off? It's clearly counterfactual to how I'm even playing here. If I was scum, I have no reason to even consider you're town...and in fact, that just makes my lim more likely.

Do you think I'd be afraid to 1v1 you?

ATP you're very unlikely to win it if you 1v1d me. But if you're town then that would mean Andres just completely fucked up in describing the bomb which does not seem likely? Also I'm very surprised you're claiming PR here cause I don't know if you've really been playing like a PR

[VP Baltar]

I find andres' doc saves weird and unlikely to be kill targets unless scum are really incompetent, but fair enough on the count. Where is the other kill? If you're saying I'm scum, that just speaks more to the point I'm making.

Maybe there's a

third

protective lol

More seriously, maybe scum were roleblocked or maybe they're saving the third kill

More importantly, I don't think the lack of NKs should be that surprising from your POV, and I think it's a possible slip

Three protectives seems OP?

Could be roleblock I suppose, but also seems to fall into OP territory given how many PRs are already flipped.

What we know about scum so far is they have some kind of switching ability, and they were informed about something. So yeah, it doesn't make fucking sense from my perspective at all. Or if you believe there is a third protective/RB, then you should think scum have more power, possibly to fuck with experts. Even if scum had something like a role cop, I don't see how it counters something like three protectives.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Q: what is the scum team doing with their no kill thingy. I can’t keep track or make every variation of possibilities.

yes exactly!

where are the freaking kills.

this only reinforced my suspicion this morning that something we are not seeing is happening here. I've been saying it all game, but we are so focused on the night game, we are not thinking about day play here. I'm looking at people I see who are scummy and it's not matching up with what is happening at nights. That's a huge red flag that I'm concerned about.

If

you're town, scum should only have 2 NKs total. One was Greeting. The other can be explained away by Andres' protection.

What do you mean "where are the kill

s

" (plural)?

I find andres' doc saves weird and unlikely to be kill targets unless scum are really incompetent, but fair enough on the count. Where is the other kill? If you're saying I'm scum, that just speaks more to the point I'm making.

Maybe there's a

third

protective lol

More seriously, maybe scum were roleblocked or maybe they're saving the third kill

More importantly, I don't think the lack of NKs should be that surprising from your POV, and I think it's a possible slip

To be clear, the slip is that you (VP Baltar) know there are 2 missing NKs.

There can only be 2 missing NKs if you're scum.

[VP Baltar]

Also I'm very surprised you're claiming PR here cause I don't know if you've really been playing like a PR

I hinted my PR way back. It's more defensive than anything, so I have nothing to lose just playing like VT.

[VP Baltar]

Q: what is the scum team doing with their no kill thingy. I can’t keep track or make every variation of possibilities.

yes exactly!

where are the freaking kills.

this only reinforced my suspicion this morning that something we are not seeing is happening here. I've been saying it all game, but we are so focused on the night game, we are not thinking about day play here. I'm looking at people I see who are scummy and it's not matching up with what is happening at nights. That's a huge red flag that I'm concerned about.

If

you're town, scum should only have 2 NKs total. One was Greeting. The other can be explained away by Andres' protection.

What do you mean "where are the kill

s

" (plural)?

I find andres' doc saves weird and unlikely to be kill targets unless scum are really incompetent, but fair enough on the count. Where is the other kill? If you're saying I'm scum, that just speaks more to the point I'm making.

Maybe there's a

third

protective lol

More seriously, maybe scum were roleblocked or maybe they're saving the third kill

More importantly, I don't think the lack of NKs should be that surprising from your POV, and I think it's a possible slip

To be clear, the slip is that you (VP Baltar) know there are 2 missing NKs.

There can only be 2 missing NKs if you're scum.

This is very dumb. Believe what you want. I have like 8 more pages to catch up on, so let me do that. I'm not going to argue this point with you.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I find andres' doc saves weird and unlikely to be kill targets unless scum are really incompetent, but fair enough on the count. Where is the other kill? If you're saying I'm scum, that just speaks more to the point I'm making.

Maybe there's a

third

protective lol

More seriously, maybe scum were roleblocked or maybe they're saving the third kill

More importantly, I don't think the lack of NKs should be that surprising from your POV, and I think it's a possible slip

Three protectives seems OP?

Could be roleblock I suppose, but also seems to fall into OP territory given how many PRs are already flipped.

What we know about scum so far is they have some kind of switching ability, and they were informed about something. So yeah, it doesn't make fucking sense from my perspective at all. Or if you believe there is a third protective/RB, then you should think scum have more power, possibly to fuck with experts. Even if scum had something like a role cop, I don't see how it counters something like three protectives.

I don't really know about balance.

The protectives that have flipped don't seem to be able to protect the bomb defuser.

Which means that once we hit 3 defusals (where we're at now), the protectives would've been pretty useless... so it doesn't seem that out of balance to me.

[Enchant]

notice how VP hasn’t gone back to being defuser… scum team knows he explodes if he goes back, so why wouldn’t town!vp go back to defusing???

I have a thought on this, but I can't really elaborate on it without full claiming.

I still quickhammer you.

[VP Baltar]

I find andres' doc saves weird and unlikely to be kill targets unless scum are really incompetent, but fair enough on the count. Where is the other kill? If you're saying I'm scum, that just speaks more to the point I'm making.

Maybe there's a

third

protective lol

More seriously, maybe scum were roleblocked or maybe they're saving the third kill

More importantly, I don't think the lack of NKs should be that surprising from your POV, and I think it's a possible slip

Three protectives seems OP?

Could be roleblock I suppose, but also seems to fall into OP territory given how many PRs are already flipped.

What we know about scum so far is they have some kind of switching ability, and they were informed about something. So yeah, it doesn't make fucking sense from my perspective at all. Or if you believe there is a third protective/RB, then you should think scum have more power, possibly to fuck with experts. Even if scum had something like a role cop, I don't see how it counters something like three protectives.

I don't really know about balance.

The protectives that have flipped don't seem to be able to protect the bomb defuser.

Which means that once we hit 3 defusals (where we're at now), the protectives would've been pretty useless... so it doesn't seem that out of balance to me.

if there are three protectives, it means scum's odds of winning by elims would be TERRIBLE. So the mod would essentially be forcing them into a situation where they have to win by defusals...which seems extremely unlikely because town can just nuke every bomb from here to eternity if they ever SUSPECT scum have defused. Look at me and how scum are benefiting from that WIFOM right now.

What you're saying makes no sense, and you don't have to be a balance expert to even see that.

[VP Baltar]

Ok, I'm caught up now. Thankfully, a lot of it was just shitposting from Enchant and pooky.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Okay so where do you think the kills went?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he's probly hiding them in his pocket lol

[VP Baltar]

ATP you're very unlikely to win it if you 1v1d me.

Yeah, because of the way I am playing the day. If I was scum intent on killing you and strange as my final acts, I have no reason to open the day expressing my own doubt of that. I just double barrel you. I can shit post with the best of them.

Sadly, your terrible wall is so tinfoil, it makes me suspect even more that you could be town. No scum is going to open the day with their case being "VP wished andres happy birthday, and he was townread before bomb, therefore, scum!"

that's about the worst case I've read in a long time and only a townie wraps that in aluminum to say they've caught the whole scum team.

[VP Baltar]

Okay so where do you think the kills went?

no clue. Maybe scum are creating enough wifom to get through the VP and dwlee kills and then are going to have kills and start blowing up bombs to accelerate the game. I bet the numbers reflect that if dwlee and I are dead, and then scum start blowing up bombs with kills every night, they win pretty quickly.