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VC 1.20

With 13 players, it takes 7 to make a decision. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-04-25 00:30:00).

VC

Malakittens [3]:

humaneatingmonkey [792], Roden [804], KittyTacky [805]

Roden [2]:

Flavor Leaf [859], ItalianoVD [888]

koopashell [1]:

JacksonVirgo [820]

Flavor Leaf [1]:

Not Known 15 [620]

humaneatingmonkey [1]:

MalcolmTucker [868]

KittyTacky [1]:

koopashell [959]

Not voting [4]:

Andresvmb, Malakittens [561], MathBlade [1066], Scorpious [1122]

[MathBlade]

what did you think about claiming mason with FL and then retracting it as a joke when koopa uses the PR card

1) I haven’t got there
2) Claiming masons is a common joke on this site. Titus commonly calls too TRs her no thread masons.

[Scorpious]

what did you think about claiming mason with FL and then retracting it as a joke when koopa uses the PR card

I don’t think FL gives 2 shits about what Koopa says to be honest, so I don’t think anything of it..

[humaneatingmonkey]

what did you think about claiming mason with FL and then retracting it as a joke when koopa uses the PR card

I don’t think FL gives 2 shits about what Koopa says to be honest, so I don’t think anything of it..

i dont think we understood each other there, Scorpious

[humaneatingmonkey]

what did you think about claiming mason with FL and then retracting it as a joke when koopa uses the PR card

1) I haven’t got there
2) Claiming masons is a common joke on this site. Titus commonly calls too TRs her no thread masons.

please finish reading

[MathBlade]

what did you think about claiming mason with FL and then retracting it as a joke when koopa uses the PR card

1) I haven’t got there
2) Claiming masons is a common joke on this site. Titus commonly calls too TRs her no thread masons.

please finish reading

Duh. I will finish tomorrow night. I gotta finish some stuff before work tomorrow.

[Roden]

Anyone who suspects me is wrong. I want to know if theyre wrong for a reason or just bullshitting.

Did you really have to ask that like it isnt obvious

No I actually agree with this reasoning, I just feel like I'm going fucking crazy for doubting that this would be the obvious answer.

Not sure I follow. The answer to me is not obvious.

Some people react differently to pushes.

I think that townies generally want to know/try to gauge if someone's read on them is genuine or fabricated. Idk how much you've caught up on in the thread so far, but I've had a lot of pushback on this line of thought and I don't understand why.

The narrative got changed to "I'm mad emotional and egotistical" somehow and nobody seems to think this blatant manipulation is scummy.

Roden has been playing with me for a while now I dont know why they had to ask that.

Because I'm trying to ground myself and I trust your responses right now.

I am caught up to the last post I quoted. I use it as a save spot of sorts so I can ISO myself and find it.

I don’t see anyone calling you mad/emotional. I know for sure I am not, I am just confused.

I agree Townies want to do this, but that doesn’t make it the obvious answer.

For example, if I was asked why I did something I’d have a response matching that situation, not something generic.

...Really? You caught up on everything and didn't see posts like these?

Spoiler:

Man, this human's obsessed with me.

@Roden - wasn't that serious

So much FL talk when I was away, that's what I like to see. Even when I'm not here, the spotlight loves me

Nah you don't get to backpedal after you made several solves that make me a PoE choice without explaining anything.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

This is probably coming from town who hasn't learned how to look past getting POE scum read as a personal thing.

I dont think semantic disagreements is going to be useful in sorting FL. Instead of being upset in how they are playing, ask yourselves: is this player an informed party? Is what they are doing reasonable from the point of view of being aware of the wolf team?

I see a lot of playstyle/personaliry clashing going on right now and that isn't useful.

I disagree that Roden vs FL hasn't been useful.

I think there's actually a lot to read Roden and myself from it, including looking at how Roden's thought process is working from it.

Like are they being purposefully obtuse with their push and careful wording or are they just in a tunnel based on seeing what they feel were negative reads on them and not knowing how to take a slight lean scum read early in the game personally.

This doesnt have to be answered immediately, but the question posed is actively useful in the game.

Of course it's fucking "weak". They aren't playing the game, Roden. Wolves literally default to low/mid posting and you're obsessed with the most active slot in the game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

he said he hasnt caught up

[Roden]

he said he hasnt caught up

I took it literally when he said he caught up to the last post he quoted since it was somewhere in the thousands.

Jokes aside, this seems like genuine annoyance from Mala.

The annoyance isn’t the problem.

She was annoyed when Greeting crossed a line as well and she was scum.

It’s a matter of whether that’s Townie annoyance is the question.

If this is the post he's referring to then I'm confused. It doesn't make any sense to say "I don't see anyone calling you mad/emotional" if he's only on page 5 out of 46.

[humaneatingmonkey]

we'll get our answers soon. if he keeps delaying til after tomorrow night and continue to make a pass for my elim, the Facebones pass expires

[MathBlade]

Jokes aside, this seems like genuine annoyance from Mala.

The annoyance isn’t the problem.

She was annoyed when Greeting crossed a line as well and she was scum.

It’s a matter of whether that’s Townie annoyance is the question.

I am caught up to here.

Which you’d know if you weren’t being extremely hyper literal.

I quote posts with my thoughts as I go along. You’ve seen me replace in and know this is my usual routine.

*stares*

Are you scum?

[MathBlade]

he said he hasnt caught up

I took it literally when he said he caught up to the last post he quoted since it was somewhere in the thousands.

Jokes aside, this seems like genuine annoyance from Mala.

The annoyance isn’t the problem.

She was annoyed when Greeting crossed a line as well and she was scum.

It’s a matter of whether that’s Townie annoyance is the question.

If this is the post he's referring to then I'm confused. It doesn't make any sense to say "I don't see anyone calling you mad/emotional" if he's only on page 5 out of 46.

That’s also not what I said. I said

I

am not calling you that.

[Roden]

Jokes aside, this seems like genuine annoyance from Mala.

The annoyance isn’t the problem.

She was annoyed when Greeting crossed a line as well and she was scum.

It’s a matter of whether that’s Townie annoyance is the question.

I am caught up to here.

Which you’d know if you weren’t being extremely hyper literal.

I quote posts with my thoughts as I go along. You’ve seen me replace in and know this is my usual routine.

*stares*

Are you scum?

What? Why would being literal minded make me scum?

he said he hasnt caught up

I took it literally when he said he caught up to the last post he quoted since it was somewhere in the thousands.

Jokes aside, this seems like genuine annoyance from Mala.

The annoyance isn’t the problem.

She was annoyed when Greeting crossed a line as well and she was scum.

It’s a matter of whether that’s Townie annoyance is the question.

If this is the post he's referring to then I'm confused. It doesn't make any sense to say "I don't see anyone calling you mad/emotional" if he's only on page 5 out of 46.

That’s also not what I said. I said

I

am not calling you that.

I don’t see anyone calling you mad/emotional. I know for sure I am not, I am just confused.

[humaneatingmonkey]

FL, again if you're town, why won't you accept that you were just downright scummy? If you were intentionally bullshitting, I'm right that you were. I'm right that you have been using an insincere pattern of playstyle (that you said the best way to play D1). The base of your case against me was assumptions you made about my vote on you that were untrue.

nk15 is probably town. koopa is probably town. I'm mindmelding with Roden here. I don't think there's necessarily scum on your wagon.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Human's transition on FL feels very weak and very much like a careful climbdown given where they were at before.

VOTE: Humaneatingmonkeys

you're right. i am hesitant. i still scumread FL fwiw, i'm just ignoring it for now until i get the chance to really dive into the game. koopa was right about the gamestate ultimately and i have to put aside ego for while.

[humaneatingmonkey]

which means if fl is town, scum is probably outside of that wagon

[humaneatingmonkey]

i think im in the right wagon

[humaneatingmonkey]

i think i've been tuning out on italianovd for while there. i should go back to get a better read. note to self.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Koopa is the towniest town who ever towned and I think the wagon on them is very sus.

who do you think is scum with malakittens in koopa's wagon?

[Not Known 15]

The catchup nested within spoilers is performative to me,

i was trying to elicit some sort of interaction with italiano, but they stone walled.


Fine, you convinced me.

Human/Italiano/Roden + 1 lesser active player way too early scum prediction, and also all based individually as well.

In that order for me.

Now you need to explain why you classified the roden read here as individually.

I am still waiting for an answer!

Way past Roden. Don’t be dense, there was a large 1v1 between them and I even

This is what basically says move on, evading a concrete answer.

[Not Known 15]

Malcom
Fence-sitting, a massive amount of softened reads and non-committal stances(a seems scummy but b) You can see some of this in town, but not to this extent.

Very likely mafia keeping their options open.

Koopa
For now, town due to 948.
If Italiano is scum this slot is locktown.

Scorpious
I hate this ISO. It's horrible.
Half of it is complaints about activity pushes and meta usage, an unexplained read.
But 825 really looks like someone exhausted and annoyed from getting yet another red pm.

probably scum.

Mathblade/Facebones

Null.

Italiano
Italiano is pushing HEM like a partner. Distancing but reluctance to vote.
Then there is post 948.

probably scum.

Kitty
A bit towny, good pushes.

JacksonVirgo

Tells us that they would be more in game if scum but attribute non-committance to being busy with RL.
Three reads. A koopa read that flipped in a very strange way from town to scum, one that really doesn't look right.
The read on me didn't evolve at all.

Likely scum.

FL

Likely scum.

Mala
I need to know where Mala currently stands on FL and where this early townread on FL comes from.

Null for now.

Andresvmb/Saladman

Lurkslot.

HEM

HEM is focused on a few people, and pushes mala/italiano/FL.
His votes are never on Italiano though. This really looks like Italiano/HEM distancing from each other.
HEM 's play is totally different than another recent towngame.

Very likely scum.

Roden
Not seeing anything sus here, and not S/S with HEM.

null.

[Not Known 15]

This re-read produced way too many scumreads. HEM/Italiano stand out, though.

VOTE: HEM

[Not Known 15]

@everyone

We should stop here for a moment(1 day or so) and everyone posts readslists and then we can discuss more.

[MalcolmTucker]

I've certainly not spotted any crumbing but maybe just very subtle.

To be fair though. I would not expect a townie to point it out..

Not saying either way on you just saying what I did.

This is why I suspect Malcolm. He highlighted a crumb post and called it a role claim.

This doesn’t do any good when scum could have just missed it.

Instead we have a four alarm fire going “look here”.

Can you go more in depth on the Malcolm read?

I kinda feel HEM Malcolm and Italiano are all scum but they don’t all fit together.

Just catching up but I didn't do this in the way you're suggesting here Math - Koopa themselves posted that they had a role and that they had been crumbing. There is no chance whatsoever the entire mafia team would have missed it so mentioning it at all isn't problematic. The reason I'd brought it up was because Scorpious was continuing to suspect/vote for Koopa in a way that was unnatural and it gave me a sense that they'd missed the role reveal. It was important to highlight this to let us move on from what was a particularly pointless conflict.

[MalcolmTucker]

What are people’s reads on Mathblade?

Didn't particularly like their admission that they'd be happy to eliminate Scorpious due to playstyle and not particularly thinking that they are mafia at all. Considering they have other suspects, felt like a way for them to potentially hedge a wagon on a townie without seeming too suspect for doing so. Also felt like Math's read on me was quite dishonest and completely distorted the truth, but aware they can sometimes quickly jump to conclusions that aren't necessarily correct while town.