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[JacksonVirgo]

This is the second time JV has made a vote in reaction to an in game momentum shift.
Keep an eye on them for the whole game thank you.

Imagine thinking a shift in vote when a shift in game momentum happens is scummy. Even though my vote back on NK has nothing to do with context as I haven't read barely anything today, I fail to see how that warrants an extra eye on me outside of just shading me for being in a vast disagreement.

1 coincidence, I sleep.
2 coincidences?
No thanks.

It's not a coincidence, and you fail to counter how a shift in my vote is scummy because of a shift in game momentum. They go hand in hand does it not. I feel you're stretching too much on your logic on me, not sure if biases or if you're trying to make me look bad maliciously.

I think you have wolf equity with HEM based on your play around the slot.
Your arguments are uncompelling to me.

Read my scum and town meta, you'll see a stark contrast I am almost certain and that should be good enough to stop useless conspiracy reads early in the game. My arguments are very likely not compelling to anybody, I am not into this game and thus I don't really have the effort to form or try and form semi-decent reads. Not saying that's something I should be read as Town for, just stating it as it is.

[koopashell]

But I also get how that frustration could be genuine, so a slot to keep an eye on for now.

Frustration can come from scum, too. In this case it is not town-indicative.

The most scummiest votes on my wagon is NK15 & koopa. Koopa because I didn't like the trajectory, NK15 because that post was scummy af.
Roden is prob town as stated before. HEM is up in the air.

Koopa looks decent, don't agree with you for them but NK15 I can agree with. HEM is very likely Town, but not something I am willing to delve into as if I get everyone to TR them they gonna die. Roden I am indifferent about

Please explain this JV.

[JacksonVirgo]

no further questions

HEM is town. That is all

Can you explain this, JV?

I had a mind-meld with them right at that point, when they stated their pause of the game-state. I believe they specifically said that they had enough questions, which was exactly what I had in my head. Waiting for a response because a very very decent question/statement has just been made (at that point) and wanted to wait for a response before going further. I do not believe scum would do that, nor have I ever had a full gut punch of a mind-meld moment like I had with anybody except Town in all my games of Discord and Forum mafia both on and off this site.

It is by far not a case that I can convince other's of, otherwise I would have done so way earlier than now. It's more of a personal read that I am very confident about.

[humaneatingmonkey]

alright koop

what's up

[JacksonVirgo]

But I also get how that frustration could be genuine, so a slot to keep an eye on for now.

Frustration can come from scum, too. In this case it is not town-indicative.

The most scummiest votes on my wagon is NK15 & koopa. Koopa because I didn't like the trajectory, NK15 because that post was scummy af.
Roden is prob town as stated before. HEM is up in the air.

Koopa looks decent, don't agree with you for them but NK15 I can agree with. HEM is very likely Town, but not something I am willing to delve into as if I get everyone to TR them they gonna die. Roden I am indifferent about

Please explain this JV.

Which would you want an explanation for? I will not be explaining your read specifically for a distinct reason that I would rather be eliminated than out on day 1.

[koopashell]

So why have you not directly defended them here as they have been a top wagon consistently?

[koopashell]

Or rather have faced consistent pressure.

[JacksonVirgo]

So why have you not directly defended them here as they have been a top wagon consistently?

I've been barely able to keep motivation to keep up with the game, so I haven't been. Skimming barely, but when I skim I tend to just gloss over and not really register anything unless it's directly saying my name as my eyes pin to that.

[JacksonVirgo]

The only case I would be able to bring up against them as an elim is exactly what I said, which is not an argument which can be used outside of my very specific headspace so what's the point of doing so? It wouldn't get anywhere

[koopashell]

Weird because FL is extremely vocal about HEM.
Regardless - @FL I'm sold on HEM, cheers.

[JacksonVirgo]

I also believe HEM to be a strong scum, so if I am wrong the pressure is sure to reveal stress slips. But that's not my main motivation, just a small sub-one to justify my lack of motivation to make cases.

[JacksonVirgo]

Weird because FL is extremely vocal about HEM.
Regardless - @FL I'm sold on HEM, cheers.

I am aware you're not talking to me, but what are you sold on them about.

[humaneatingmonkey]

fine
let me be darling wagon
ask me anything

[JacksonVirgo]

fine
let me be darling wagon
ask me anything

Q: Do you remember the game where you were scum and made me hate life so bad?

[MalcolmTucker]

I also believe HEM to be a strong scum, so if I am wrong the pressure is sure to reveal stress slips. But that's not my main motivation, just a small sub-one to justify my lack of motivation to make cases.

Do you think both HEM/NK can be scum here?

[humaneatingmonkey]

yes
i had to chase you as you replaced out to apologize for the stress i gave you
you are right. i am very strong scum.

[koopashell]

I think JV's energy shift and sudden cooperativeness is wolf indicative when called out as HEM's partner, as current thread consensus is HEM wolf and thus tying to HEM is an awkward spot right now
I do not support a chain elimination on a wolf HEM flip but should be considered as a push on day 2.
I find the responses from JV here to be fairly wrong in terms of the fact it doesn't remove any viability for partner equity, and the way they speak feels a bit like they know HEM will flip wolf and are covering up for the fact.

[JacksonVirgo]

I also believe HEM to be a strong scum, so if I am wrong the pressure is sure to reveal stress slips. But that's not my main motivation, just a small sub-one to justify my lack of motivation to make cases.

Do you think both HEM/NK can be scum here?

I don't believe HEM is scum at all? Unless you are asking a different question than what's directly asked?

[JacksonVirgo]

yes
i had to chase you as you replaced out to apologize for the stress i gave you
you are right. i am very strong scum.

That was painful, but I respect your dedication :P

Ahahaha

[JacksonVirgo]

I think JV's energy shift and sudden cooperativeness is wolf indicative when called out as HEM's partner, as current thread consensus is HEM wolf and thus tying to HEM is an awkward spot right now
I do not support a chain elimination on a wolf HEM flip but should be considered as a push on day 2.
I find the responses from JV here to be fairly wrong in terms of the fact it doesn't remove any viability for partner equity, and the way they speak feels a bit like they know HEM will flip wolf and are covering up for the fact.

I'd rather bus early than buddy up. You keep avoiding to read my meta, do so.

[koopashell]

Overall I also feel there is a lack of genuineness to the HEM/JV interactions in the sense they are interacting with eachother a lot but JV isnt worried about HEM's place in the gamestate as a townread of theirs? Essentially I'm accusing them of theatering

[JacksonVirgo]

Overall I also feel there is a lack of genuineness to the HEM/JV interactions in the sense they are interacting with eachother a lot but JV isnt worried about HEM's place in the gamestate as a townread of theirs? Essentially I'm accusing them of theatering

I wouldn't care if a confirmed town was eliminated, I am fairly apathetic about this game.

[KittyTacky]

MT, you still didn't answer my question as for why TOWNIES would sit on Koopa. It's a dumb play as scum but a dumber one as town. Maybe they're trying to make a wagon crystallize. Maybe just one is scum and the other is a scummy townie who got sheeped. IDK.

I explained it above in 1164. It's a dumb town play but Scorpious didn't even know Koopa had role claimed. I don't think they've really been paying that much attention beyond their pretty crap push on Koopa.

I don't see the explanation in 1164... am I stupid?

[koopashell]

No one would like to bus on day 1. No wolves do that by default unless they are assholes or have a clear path to win off it or there's a position where they have to.
The issue is that's a non argument.

I pulled the rug on the gamestate - twice.
Here's my view on it:.
JV doesn't bus because there is a vocal defender and not much pressure. Puts them as top townread so they don't have to push HEM off FL. All in all - there has been little threat to HEM until now.

In a world with a wolf traitor - there is plenty of incentive to protect your other partner.

I am confident in this conclusion at this point in a way that "makes sense" that I haven't felt this game yet. I will maintain my course here

[koopashell]

There *was* a vocal defender*