KTaNE [game over!]

[Enchant]

No really it turns in clasterfuck with 8 experts

[Dwlee99]

1.) The doc didn't need to be killed if scum weren't going to kill anyway, and also could be blown up (happened)
2.) The one kill that did go through was on someone who scumread you, exactly what you mean by "shaping gamestate"
3.) We don't know what scum informed knowledge is, but scum could know what PRs to be afraid of etc.

1) if you're scum who want to kill ever, you need to kill the doc. Why would I as scum put a doc as a defuser to draw suspicion on myself rather than just kill them????
2) who hasn't scum read me, but yeah pretty fucking convenient that happens the night I'm about to get sussed hard.
3) how would scum know what PRs andante and greeting are?

1.) The doc was a simple doc so no, because they have PRs to kill as well
2.) There have been people that didn't scumread you, and EoD3 you were actually townread cause you literally got experted.
3.) Role cop? But that's not really what I'm saying. I'm saying scum could have info that informs them how they want to save their night kills.

[VP Baltar]

If scum can blow up everything, why they won't do it AT FIRST NIGHT FOR 4 MISELIMS?

I doubt it would be unlimited. That would be broken

[VP Baltar]

It's essentially 3 guaranteed scum mislims that's why

Not if someone looks at the switches and actually thinks about it for 5 seconds. This is what I mean by being intentionally obtuse

But then everyone goes "no way someone is scum in the group kill kill kill"

Yeah, and when strange didn't flip scum after looking the most obvious, you would rationally at least consider if another factor was in play. I'm speculating it is altering expert info, but if I am trusting my reads and not just blindly following the "correct" play, then I need to think about that.

Look at that game we just finished. Nero got all the town killed in the hood there because the "correct" play was that 1 of the 4 had to be scum. He made the game annoying as fuck screaming at town me for days on end, then I died, then he died. There are other factors there and I know you weren't there for that part of the game, but it was an unpleasant experience for me and I don't want to blindly follow what is the supposed right play without thinking about the mod mindset.

[Dwlee99]

But there was scum in that hood

Hoods are much more WIFOM though than something like this imo

[Enchant]

If scum can blow up everything, why they won't do it AT FIRST NIGHT FOR 4 MISELIMS?

I doubt it would be unlimited. That would be broken

How to ez win:
1. Force atleast one group of clear town experts on first day. Not really hard, just "refuse" to participate.
2. Make someone you dislike defuser.
3. Explode them.
4. Wow chain of 4 elims+5 blowed up.

And there's literally NO reason to make this ability "Expect for first night" or other shit. It's more easier for this ability to not exist.

[Dwlee99]

I didn't think about scum being allowed to remotely detonate a bomb because I just doesn't make sense. I mean flavor-wise what's the explanation for that? That the info we got sent by the mod was wrong? GeorgeBailey swapped out the bomb manuals?

[VP Baltar]

If scum can blow up everything, why they won't do it AT FIRST NIGHT FOR 4 MISELIMS?

I doubt it would be unlimited. That would be broken

How to ez win:
1. Force atleast one group of clear town experts on first day. Not really hard, just "refuse" to participate.
2. Make someone you dislike defuser.
3. Explode them.
4. Wow chain of 4 elims+5 blowed up.

And there's literally NO reason to make this ability "Expect for first night" or other shit. It's more easier for this ability to not exist.

Frogsters ability allowed him to manipulate bomb outcomes for town.

[VP Baltar]

But there was scum in that hood

Hoods are much more WIFOM though than something like this imo

This whole game seems to be built on wifom if you ask me.

[Dwlee99]

Frogsterking has been executed day 2. he was a

DATS Inc. intel master

.

Spoiler:

welcome,

Frogsterking

! you are a

DATS Inc. intel master

, a part of this game's uninformed majority.

role abilities:

~ if you are acting as a bomb expert, only your info needs to be correct in order to disarm the bomb.
~ if you are acting as a bomb defuser, your bomb will explode only if two or more modules are solved incorrectly, rather than only one.

win conditions:

~ you win when all GB Inc. infiltrators are dead and at least one DATS Inc. employee is alive.
~ alternatively, you win when DATS Inc. employees act as successful bomb defusers 8 times.

the game thread is here. please confirm your role by replying to this pm with your role name.

bomb experts are:

• Bell
  
• VP Baltar
  
• GuiltyLion

twilight 2 starts now and ends in

(expired on 2022-04-02 20:15:00)

.

Frogster's role also required him to be in the PT, which you're suggesting scum can blow it up without being there

[Dwlee99]

Funniest world is that there is a scum role that can do what VP is describing but they used it N1 on catboi and VP is still scum here

[Dwlee99]

Omg and even funnier world would be Mistyx is the scum with the role that can do that and VP is trying to bus her to then save himself

[Enchant]

If scum can blow up everything, why they won't do it AT FIRST NIGHT FOR 4 MISELIMS?

I doubt it would be unlimited. That would be broken

How to ez win:
1. Force atleast one group of clear town experts on first day. Not really hard, just "refuse" to participate.
2. Make someone you dislike defuser.
3. Explode them.
4. Wow chain of 4 elims+5 blowed up.

And there's literally NO reason to make this ability "Expect for first night" or other shit. It's more easier for this ability to not exist.

Frogsters ability allowed him to manipulate bomb outcomes for town.

That's truth, but Frog ability impossible to use for decimating mafia and it's mostly for saving others and selfprotection.

Ability you just thought are totally unfair.

[VP Baltar]

Funniest world is that there is a scum role that can do what VP is describing but they used it N1 on catboi and VP is still scum here

Uh....is dwlee TMIing scum here?

How do you go from "that's too broken to exist" to "here is an even more tinfoil theory so I can still call VP scum!"

[Enchant]

Uh....is dwlee TMIing scum here?

Dwlee99 is scum?

You sure?

[VP Baltar]

Uh....is dwlee TMIing scum here?

Dwlee99 is scum?

You sure?

Can't be this weird as town, right?

[Dwlee99]

Nah I'm a completely normal person not weird in any way

[Dwlee99]

Funniest world is that there is a scum role that can do what VP is describing but they used it N1 on catboi and VP is still scum here

Uh....is dwlee TMIing scum here?

How do you go from "that's too broken to exist" to "here is an even more tinfoil theory so I can still call VP scum!"

My brain likes to find the most funny situation. That w/ the Mistyx one is funny

[VP Baltar]

Help me lim mystix then

[Dwlee99]

No I actually kinda think Mistyx is town especially since you're scum

[Dwlee99]

Mistyx is doing absolutely fuck-all though so meh maybe she is scum

[Mistyx]

hi im awake good morning to you too

[Mistyx]

you guys keep quickhammering while im catching up or getting into thread and then blaming me for doing nothing

like wow i only posted three times yesterday on easter!! oh no!!

[Dwlee99]

Oh yea it was Easter, forgot about that

[Mistyx]

vp loltunneling me just makes me think he realized if he kills dwlee then he just goes down next so he's trying to push me in the way first to buy time