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[ItalianoVD]

I’ve been getting the idea like others have said that I’m scumreading townies and townreading scum. I also like to point out that a pr claim is not a free pass to get townread. I’m not throwing shade koopa, but I don’t think anybody should townread you based on that claim. They should townread you on your play and how you’ve formulated your reads and such.

I think JV's energy shift and sudden cooperativeness is wolf indicative when called out as HEM's partner, as current thread consensus is HEM wolf and thus tying to HEM is an awkward spot right now
I do not support a chain elimination on a wolf HEM flip but should be considered as a push on day 2.
I find the responses from JV here to be fairly wrong in terms of the fact it doesn't remove any viability for partner equity, and the way they speak feels a bit like they know HEM will flip wolf and are covering up for the fact.

I’ve actually gotten the opposite feeling reading his posts. I think he genuinely believes HEM is town, but he is keeping in mind what HEM is capable of as scum, which I think is a townie mindset.

Overall I also feel there is a lack of genuineness to the HEM/JV interactions in the sense they are interacting with eachother a lot but JV isnt worried about HEM's place in the gamestate as a townread of theirs? Essentially I'm accusing them of theatering

I mean let’s be serious, what type of reaction would you want him to have for HEM at 2-3 votes. No wagon has been threatened to be pushed over and there is still time. I think this would have more merit if the wagon had gotten close to elimination (i.e. E2/E1)

Even that exchange between him and HEM about HEM’s scumgame makes me kinda think they’re both town. I mean if they’re both scum doing theater than they got me. Naturally though I just feel that the more probable answer is that they’re both town.

[humaneatingmonkey]

It implies a townread. What would you townread them for.

You inferred wrong, it just means I am not voting outside of my scum-reads just because monk wants me to.

you still haven't gave your synopsis or must have missed it

[Scorpious]

I’m glad to see there is acceptance of humor in this game.

[Scorpious]

I’ll be a bit more serious maybe on lunch or later.. you guys got a lot to say..

[JacksonVirgo]

It implies a townread. What would you townread them for.

You inferred wrong, it just means I am not voting outside of my scum-reads just because monk wants me to.

you still haven't gave your synopsis or must have missed it

What were you looking for a synopsis on specifically?

[humaneatingmonkey]

nk15, why is scum?

i read their progression as natural, i think they're approaching the game from a solvy angle, and i share a lot of reads with them.
although i haven't played with them as scum, so this isn't bulletproof, but i want them to stay through D1.

[MalcolmTucker]

nk15, why is scum?

i read their progression as natural, i think they're approaching the game from a solvy angle, and i share a lot of reads with them.
although i haven't played with them as scum, so this isn't bulletproof, but i want them to stay through D1.

I reckon there's mafia somewhere on the Flavor wagon that developed (either you or NK15) and I view their progression onto suspecting you as quite forced - you'd barely warranted a mention beforehand yet were suddenly worth a vote out of nowhere.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'll let him answer that

but i disagree that FL's wagon necessarily would have scum in it.
I stand by that the scumminess is present and organic to FL's posting (as in you can visibly feel it, it's not galaxy brain) and I will sympathize with those who respond to the same instinct.

[humaneatingmonkey]

visceral is the word

[humaneatingmonkey]

in fact, it's more likely that it's all town

[JacksonVirgo]

nk15, why is scum?

i read their progression as natural, i think they're approaching the game from a solvy angle, and i share a lot of reads with them.
although i haven't played with them as scum, so this isn't bulletproof, but i want them to stay through D1.

I disagree pretty heavily about their progression being natural, it reads to me as forced, manipulative and opportunistic in its nature. I did not really realise what Malcom just called out but that is also another reason for me to believe there's scum between FL and NK. Obviously concluding in NK for me as my read on FL isn't anywhere near NK currently even though the obvious paranoia still remains.

[JacksonVirgo]

i'll let him answer that

but i disagree that FL's wagon necessarily would have scum in it.
I stand by that the scumminess is present and organic to FL's posting (as in you can visibly feel it, it's not galaxy brain) and I will sympathize with those who respond to the same instinct.

It might be a case of us believing NK is scum anyway and thus the FL wagon is additional proof, possibly biased. I didn't even notice it until Malcom brought it up so it could also be a "oh yeah that's a thing" kinda of recency bias type of read.

[humaneatingmonkey]

kay guys that's all for me today i really have to finish up at my work

have a nice evening

[Not Known 15]

I did a re-read, and I didn't ISO HEM before, that's why.
You'll notice that I have way too many scumreads after that re-read.

Which means that I am definitely not concerned about scumreads on my own wagon.

[Not Known 15]

JacksonVirgo, provide a full readslist.

[MathBlade]

Jokes aside, this seems like genuine annoyance from Mala.

The annoyance isn’t the problem.

She was annoyed when Greeting crossed a line as well and she was scum.

It’s a matter of whether that’s Townie annoyance is the question.

I am caught up to here.

Which you’d know if you weren’t being extremely hyper literal.

I quote posts with my thoughts as I go along. You’ve seen me replace in and know this is my usual routine.

*stares*

Are you scum?

What? Why would being literal minded make me scum?

he said he hasnt caught up

I took it literally when he said he caught up to the last post he quoted since it was somewhere in the thousands.

Jokes aside, this seems like genuine annoyance from Mala.

The annoyance isn’t the problem.

She was annoyed when Greeting crossed a line as well and she was scum.

It’s a matter of whether that’s Townie annoyance is the question.

If this is the post he's referring to then I'm confused. It doesn't make any sense to say "I don't see anyone calling you mad/emotional" if he's only on page 5 out of 46.

That’s also not what I said. I said

I

am not calling you that.

I don’t see anyone calling you mad/emotional. I know for sure I am not, I am just confused.

Because you feel like you’re looking for things to be enraged about versus taking my posts for what they are. Me asking if you’re scum for your inappropriate response then you raise your tone is troubling.

And in regards to the latter you’re correct. I misremembered but the point remains. I am not calling you emotional I am very confused. It’s not making sense.

[humaneatingmonkey]

NK15 can you explain how different you think my play is here vs the other game that just finished

[MathBlade]

@everyone

We should stop here for a moment(1 day or so) and everyone posts readslists and then we can discuss more.

I am not really a reads list guy I am more a potential trans guy. If I stop catching up (as it is I am 5 pages behind and I have to start work now) then I would be doing so inaccurately as well. Therefore I will not do this.

What makes you post in this game and not in the prior game you were vigged?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I disagree pretty heavily about their progression being natural, it reads to me as forced, manipulative and opportunistic in its nature. I did not really realise what Malcom just called out but that is also another reason for me to believe there's scum between FL and NK. Obviously concluding in NK for me as my read on FL isn't anywhere near NK currently even though the obvious paranoia still remains.

I'll think about it

[MathBlade]

I've certainly not spotted any crumbing but maybe just very subtle.

To be fair though. I would not expect a townie to point it out..

Not saying either way on you just saying what I did.

This is why I suspect Malcolm. He highlighted a crumb post and called it a role claim.

This doesn’t do any good when scum could have just missed it.

Instead we have a four alarm fire going “look here”.

Can you go more in depth on the Malcolm read?

I kinda feel HEM Malcolm and Italiano are all scum but they don’t all fit together.

Just catching up but I didn't do this in the way you're suggesting here Math - Koopa themselves posted that they had a role and that they had been crumbing. There is no chance whatsoever the entire mafia team would have missed it so mentioning it at all isn't problematic. The reason I'd brought it up was because Scorpious was continuing to suspect/vote for Koopa in a way that was unnatural and it gave me a sense that they'd missed the role reveal. It was important to highlight this to let us move on from what was a particularly pointless conflict.

Role outing is a pretty decent scum tell. I have seen scum miss things that are absolutely obvious before. If you’re town never ever assume scum will notice something but phrase things in a way that protects that player. Is it scummy? Yes. But then worse case is scum look at you for a push and/or it will become why.

[MathBlade]

What are people’s reads on Mathblade?

Didn't particularly like their admission that they'd be happy to eliminate Scorpious due to playstyle and not particularly thinking that they are mafia at all. Considering they have other suspects, felt like a way for them to potentially hedge a wagon on a townie without seeming too suspect for doing so. Also felt like Math's read on me was quite dishonest and completely distorted the truth, but aware they can sometimes quickly jump to conclusions that aren't necessarily correct while town.

My read was honest and still is.

Uninformed as I haven’t read is fine, but distorted is inaccurate.

You did do as I said and you have said so.

This is really ugly.

[MathBlade]

Now that's failed

also FWIW i think FL would be today's lim if I was actually scum because I'll have partners pushing with me

I also believe FL stopped being a wagon BECAUSE i hopped off, not the other way around

To be fair FL is almost never a d1 wagon if I scumread them.
I wait and see who they spew.
I don’t think he’s scum here but FL has quite the reputation among us older players on the site.

[MathBlade]

First time doing this list format, any feedback?

I like the area fields as I struggle with colors. But on specific reads not at this time. Quoting this so I reflect on it later.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: HEM

VOTE: HEM

Bahhhh let’s goooo!

[KittyTacky]

It implies a townread. What would you townread them for.

You inferred wrong, it just means I am not voting outside of my scum-reads just because monk wants me to.

Who are your scumreads?