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[Flavor Leaf]

Not sure, at the moment. I do think Roden is at the bottom, though.

And I expect a scum in my town reads.

[koopashell]

I want something more solid please.

Especially on your progression on HEM.

[Flavor Leaf]

I want something more solid please.

Especially on your progression on HEM.

Frankly, you can read my posts for my progression on HEM. That's something that's already out there, and I feel I've talked about.

I'll get to it, but for me to do so, I'd have to sit down and gather my thoughts because I'm in a between thing.

But yeah, I've definitely been spouting all the thoughts I have had including my paranoia for Mathblade/Malcolm, and it's all there. I'll do another list when it's time to do another list, but I'm with you, that the time is near for me to do another list, and now it's for another reason because Scorpious wont think im trying to pocket them by doing another list.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like honestly, HEM is the slot you should be least interested in my thoughts on considering i've talked about it recently and throughout the game.

[koopashell]

I want it summarized in your own words right now though - is that too much? I'm very concerned you suddenly stopped pushing him after momentum started.

[MalcolmTucker]

My complex theory is town Scorpious secretly loves lists and says they don't to goad more players into doing them. 4D chess.

[Flavor Leaf]

I want it summarized in your own words right now though - is that too much? I'm very concerned you suddenly stopped pushing him after momentum started.

That's partly the reason I stopped. And yeah, it's hard to do colors and stuff like that when I'm not settled, busy doing some other stuff, but basically, Idk, he took a good approach if he was scum by diffusing the situation with me. I called out the possibility of them seeing that I did that with Italiano, and that maybe the two of them are combined, and then I started seeing HEM/Italiano pairing, but RodenScum's been speaking out to me, and I do very much think that Roden and HEM are not scum together because of the odd double team.

Like I said, Roden seemed to piggyback onto NK15's posting towards me, but I did start to feel NK15 town vibes.

I also naturally have a tendency to go against the crowd reads, so the fact that the crowd started getting on board with HEM alongside me getting town read heavily gve me flashbacks to when I pushed Malcolm last game, and he flipped town, and I got a lot of heat for it even though it took much more than just me to get that wagon.

So it feels kind of similar to that, however, with Malcolm push, I was right to sniff the scum energy, but it was just slightly misplaced, so I looked near HEM, and Roden fits that as well.

I also do really feel like Malakittens is not trying to pocket me, and generally just sees that I am town, and I believe Roden was one of the Mala wagoners way back yonder as well, but I could be wrong on that one.

Mathblade town reading me now, but can easily be setting me up to be the face that takes the blame for a HEM misfade, so I'm actively giving pause on the HEM wagon, and when I started considering moving back to HEM, I also felt like I was almost compromising back to HEM, and that scum probably WANT me to go onto HEM, giving me a slight town read at times to HEM, but that could just be my paranoia of pushing through a misfade when I could have just been correct.

But when I look at the gamestate with the perspective of HEM town, then Italiano also comes off as townie to me, which makes sense, and that scum is more likely in a Roden/NK15 area than HEM/Italiano because my HEM read base did come off initially because of an Italiano scum read, and I was pushing HEM for their base foundation being incorrect but then mine ended up falling apart a little as well, however there are bases that it would work regardless.

I'm not super against the HEM wagon, and could be nice to see the flip, I just feel like I'm starting to think they're town. The devil's advocate in me naturally stays away from the crowd thought.

So that's where I'm at with HEM. hope that's good for now, ill still do my list when I want to come to a little bit more conclusivity.

[koopashell]

VOTE: Mala

[koopashell]

I want receipts with your accusations.

For example - you say "Roden seemed to piggyback onto NK15's posting"

I want you to cite the exact posts where you see this.


If you fail to do this - I will be voting you if I go through Roden's posts myself and find this absent.

I changed my mind on HEM. I am vetoing both Roden AND HEM today.

[Flavor Leaf]

K, go and vote me then. cuz I don't go and quote when I'm not sitting on my computer.

Don't threaten votes as town, that's just weak play.

[koopashell]

Remember when I said I would go after you if I believed you were just instigating?

This pullaway from HEM once people start to tunnel onto HEM is exactly that.

I am too experienced to fall for such cheap tricks and your burden of proof of thought process has risen for such actions.

[koopashell]

How is it weak play

[Flavor Leaf]

when I'm not sitting on my computer.

Actually, if I'm in a hardcore mobile posting mafia session, I will.

But I'm doing otherstuff right now, and have already been letting this take too much time.

You can wait for citations.

[Flavor Leaf]

How is it weak play

Similar to using the PR claim to help with a 1v1.

Just cheap ploys. They can work, but like, you flip flop so much, your threat of a vote doesn't mean much right now, especially because if anything, I get to read what people do based on it.

[koopashell]

I don't want to vote you out - I want to vote Mala out and when they flip wolf we can vote you out for very overtly defending them.

If mala flips town, you can be town.

But as of right now - Mala is a 2 for 1 deal for me. Ya dig?

Mala's been under the radar this whole game and you still are trying to drag her along as if she has been towny enough to defend.

Question to all: Who here townreads Malakittens? If so, why?

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't want to vote you out - I want to vote Mala out and when they flip wolf we can vote you out for very overtly defending them.

If mala flips town, you can be town.

But as of right now - Mala is a 2 for 1 deal for me. Ya dig?

Mala's been under the radar this whole game and you still are trying to drag her along as if she has been towny enough to defend.

Question to all: Who here townreads Malakittens? If so, why?

Yeah, see, you fail to look at the fact that if Mala is scum, I'm even more likely to be town, and are pushing it in a black and white sense, and you've set yourself up not to have a lot of weight behind your vote currently. This can change of course, but right now, I don't think you have as much pull as you think you do.

HOWEVER, I do think it comes from town you to think that.

If you do end up being scum, you will not be caught Day 1, and if you are scum, I think you're playing very well and in a way that is not easy to play. I dont know if that's the case, though, and in my head, occam's razor, you're town.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also have stated that I do see a world where Mala is scum, and if so, she has what I dubbed Koala'd me, where scumHer set up the exact trap you'd be falling for, which is a pretty obvious trap.

I'm also the one being Koala'd in that scenario, so I feel it makes sense that I see her as town.

And I did see her as townie before that.

She hasn't been doing too much since then, so I'm not like saying she's 100% town, I'm just saying where my thoughts are currently.

[Flavor Leaf]

I will say, your PR claim is probably the thing that I go back to the most when reanalyzing you. It was the biggest action youve taken this game, and I do see the emotional town PR claim, but I dont want to underestimate you if you are scum, which you are probably hoping I do if you are.

The PR claim has nothing to do with me not wanting to vote you.

I'm the type that will ask a vig to shoot a conf townie IC if I think the game's more likely a win because of it.

[koopashell]

I am reading Roden's ISO and I see some very complex thoughts. I see from Roden's meta that their go to tactic when they are wolf they tend to run away - not fight.

Two times - when Roden voted for Mala - you pounced on Roden. If we flip Mala and they are a wolf - this is evidence enough that we should flip you. 963 for example I find a towny reaction.

I believe Roden, when reading his ISO, has engaged the game in a way that is uninformed.



When I look at your slot - OTOH, I see a player who is trying to twist things on people suspecting Mala. And are open about it even - but also have stopped referencing Mala. You are doing a lot of manipulation via omission. And as someone who has a similar style of wolfplay - it is something I immediately pick up on.

The cincher is that NK15 - as town - would be a slot that a wolf would want to use as miselimination bait. Roden instead denies that and references meta to say the opposite.


Mala and Roden are never W/W and Mala is extensively under the radar and wolfy and not towny at all - so I want to flip Mala first.


It is a perfect Day 1 elimination. A slot that is tied up to several other slots, a slot that is barely contributing - thus useless regardless, and a slot that is very likely to flip wolf as well.

I see no reason why we should not eliminate Mala here right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

I see no reason why we should not eliminate Mala here right now.

Eh, even if Mala is scum, this is just where I think your playstyle as a whole has holes.

[koopashell]

Give me a quick summary on why she is town then.

[Flavor Leaf]

You also just seem to fail to see that if Mala is scum, I am completely pocketed and blame me for that rather than the scum who put into the time doing that.

I also am known to defend heavily against pushes.

Look how I've been when you pushed JV/Scorpious as well, and then even HEM. It's just kind of my natural thing is to defend.

I think this is beneficial because it forces people to break through the defenses enough, so if I do end up seeing it, it holds even more merit because I just play the devil's advocate, that can almost open up more eyes to seeing the correct read, whatever that may be.

[koopashell]

OK buddy why is she town tho.

[koopashell]

Scorpious - has shown towny moments

JV - has shown towny moments

Mala? - what the fuck has she shown.

Roden's accusations against Mala are all *true*. Lurking out when there is pressure is extremely wolfy. Being disengaged in the way Mala has been - is extremely wolfy.

All in all, it is a slot I want 100% flipped here today.

[Flavor Leaf]

Give me a quick summary on why she is town then.

I haven't really seen anything of her that is inherently scummy and not personality charged.

To be fair, she hasn't been doing much, so that is also the only viable scum reasoning I have as well.

And again, like i said, if Mala is scum, I am calling out the pocket.

This is exactly how I was with Titus last game when Titus pocketed me, and I was even able to case titus as scum while saying I felt they are town.

So the fact I can't make a strong Mala town case does actively raise her scum possibilities and that I am stuck in a pocket.

But alas, I am stuck in the pocket Day 1 if so.