Micro 1052: Lake Melancholy [END]

[VP Baltar]

I agree that Prism's day play has not felt sharp. I don't have much of a baseline for her save reputation, but my impression is that scum should be quivering in their boots with terror, and she has not been giving them any reason to do that so far.

What is your read on prism again?

Limbo. I think the mech stuff is a mild point against her and her play hasn't made a huge impression on me, but I find her posts especially difficult to read so I feel like I don't even know what is in her iso. Half of my reads atp are "I don't even remember what this person has posted" and I'm in the process of making an effort to fix that.

start with prism pls

[VP Baltar]

In post 1033, skitter30 wrote:
His read basically boils down to 'i'm scumreading him for nonsense' *while acknowledging* that he thinks town-me has often done that before

yes because it's assumed town!you would actually learn from your mistakes

Datisi, you really believe town don't repeat mistakes?

[Datisi]

they definitely do

i'd just be hoping for there to be some kinda uncertainty or hesitation if it's a mistake that has been done a few times already

[VP Baltar]

i mean it is also possible that vp's play around skitt was scummy just bc he's scum and not bc he's partners with her

so im also pretty down for a wagon there

This scumfuck never votes me but tests the waters. what in the actual hell.

[Aristeia]

I wanna know what it's like

let's just erase all the downsides.

[VP Baltar]

i kinda am feeling towny on datisi atm bc although i do agree he feels a little off (hard for me to tell since my only completed game with him he was scum, but i can get the vibes at least), it feels off in a similar way to how i myself feel off -- everyone is good, reads are hard to come by in this game, no one is obvtown or obvscum, we're all crammed in this tight space, etc etc. and i feel like i can kinda relate to the way in which it is affecting his play here

but i do know that he's good at feeling relatable as scum so i don't trust it completely.

This reads like a Datisi pocket attempt without being straightforward enough to draw wrath of datisi.

[skitter30]

No fire is still town >.>

Dats it is possible i'm just bad at learning from mistakes ...

[VP Baltar]

Suichi, do you think this post is indicative of your scumhunting? I read this and it reads like poking at things without actually coming to any kind of opinion on any of them. I know you said you're feeling at a loss for reads or whatever, but I'm just trying to understand what the intended outcome of a post like this is from your perspective. What were you aiming to achieve here?

Spoiler:

How are you reading him?

besides +partner with you, i am not

Then i suggest that you endeavor to form a read on him, his iso is p empty and easy to read ... ^

And fwiw i am formally scumreading now too ...

I don't think I've ever seen someone use the phrase "formally scumreading" before and the most likely brain-corner I can see it coming from is a hyperawareness of one's own trajectory.

- i object to the characterization of my push on you as a 'complaint about an early game wagon on me'

Yeah... so do I.

@vpb: you commented on my apparent lack of commentary on ari/prism in 309, and this is what you argued:

Also, my questions are on fucking point. As opposed to you, who provided zero commentary on the main event of the game so far (ari/prism)Prism, and just omgused me on basically the same thing I called you out about.

And in 409 you literally quote two differnet posts where i discuss it prior to that point, so that is not an accurate claim in the slightest. You're also ignoring posts: 169, 211, 214, 240, 268, all of which contain commentary on their argument, and quite lot of which is before prism poked me.

You arguing that i have no commentary on the argument is somewhere on the sliding scale of ignorance, willful ignorance, and outright misrepresenration, and i'm leaning towards the latter given the tone/vibe of 409.

Also after me pointing out that i actually do have content on this topic, and that your original claim is incorrect, you changed your argument to me not having content about it *until prism poked me about it*, which is not what you were originally dinging me for, i will note as well. I guess you think this is an easier argument for you to win tho

You keep bringing this up, why?

Me, ceph, and fire all made similar criticisms of your posts so far. You're only scumreading me for it, however. To me, rhat implies that your read on me isnt real, because if you were inherently concerned with my line of questioning, you would be asking fire/ceph about *their* line of questio ning as well, bur you're not. You're all but ignoring their pushes on you

@vpb: sooooooo had you even read my posts when you said that i had no commentary on the ari/prism thing?

Also now that you've read them, you're moving the goalposts from: zero commentary on the argument to none until prism prodded me to my posts about the argument were weak ...

Also 240 is a direct response to 238, where prism questioned how i was reading her based on the ari/prism argument ...

Worthy of checking VPB's posts to assess accuracy but I recall agreeing with these at the time so they're likely valid. Not sure whether it was here or somewhere else, but I had a moving-goalposts issue with VPB too, and I typically don't excel at noticing things like that.

I feel like Skitter is probably logically correct in some way but is still scum but idk if that's ridiculous of me or not

It is ridiculous of you, yes

This post has already been lambasted appropriately, but I'm choosing to note again that it is challenging to see it as real. Refuge in logic is a scum tactic everyone learns about on their first day playing mafia.

I feel like Skitter is probably logically correct in some way but is still scum but idk if that's ridiculous of me or not

It is ridiculous of you, yes

does this imply that skitter is claiming she cannot be logically correct as scum? wild

Why is this what you're popping in to comment on >.>
And i dont think that's what i'm implying?
Pedit yes plz do, in particular 409 which i feel is incredibly misreppy

Dats ... >.>
That post has so many issues with it i dont even know where to begin

I noticed these two shifty-eye faces around Datisi and it made me wonder if they're emblematic of guilt over pushing Datisi. Could be town guilt from not wanting to doubt your friend, perhaps. There's obviously a preexisting relationship here. This is basic of me, but nonetheless. If I could use the search function on this, I would.

[VP Baltar]

No fire is still town >.>

I'm very confused why you're locktown on this. Is there a tell or something you have? You don't need to reveal if so, I just find your confidence weird. His reads and posting is pretty wallpaper, imo. Like, I would have more respect if he just voted me earlier when he was shit talking me, but he didn't and joins a rando vote from datisi.

So, where's your confidence coming from exactly here?

[Aristeia]

its probably because he thinks townie thoughts

[VP Baltar]

Uh ceph, you're kinda painting my posts in (what i feel to be) a needlessly uncharitabe light, multiple times in these wallposts, some examples including:

I make >.>'s all the time as both alignments

in all sorts of contexts, and i have a long history of doing so across multiple games. Picking two out of the multiple i've made in this game to ascribe guilt is ?

Someone probably already vouched for this, but skitter does the eyes all the time.

[skitter30]

No tell, his play is just very townie
I dont necessarily agree with all of his conclusions, but you can tell that he's thinking about th3 game and that he's trying to solve
For example, his read on ceph just makes sense: it's a very +townie thought process to townread someone for basicslly having similar thoughts as you at the same time as you (i.e. they both came to the scum-me read at roughly the same time, independantly, and fire townreads ceph for that). The read is wrong, sure, but its a townie thought process

His reads are also changing, in a good way, they arent static

Just quietly making good observations

I dont see anything to scumread, but i see a lot to townread

Pedit @vpb r.e. fire

[Shuichi Saihara]

Suichi, do you think this post is indicative of your scumhunting? I read this and it reads like poking at things without actually coming to any kind of opinion on any of them. I know you said you're feeling at a loss for reads or whatever, but I'm just trying to understand what the intended outcome of a post like this is from your perspective. What were you aiming to achieve here?

Spoiler:

How are you reading him?

besides +partner with you, i am not

Then i suggest that you endeavor to form a read on him, his iso is p empty and easy to read ... ^

And fwiw i am formally scumreading now too ...

I don't think I've ever seen someone use the phrase "formally scumreading" before and the most likely brain-corner I can see it coming from is a hyperawareness of one's own trajectory.

- i object to the characterization of my push on you as a 'complaint about an early game wagon on me'

Yeah... so do I.

@vpb: you commented on my apparent lack of commentary on ari/prism in 309, and this is what you argued:

Also, my questions are on fucking point. As opposed to you, who provided zero commentary on the main event of the game so far (ari/prism)Prism, and just omgused me on basically the same thing I called you out about.

And in 409 you literally quote two differnet posts where i discuss it prior to that point, so that is not an accurate claim in the slightest. You're also ignoring posts: 169, 211, 214, 240, 268, all of which contain commentary on their argument, and quite lot of which is before prism poked me.

You arguing that i have no commentary on the argument is somewhere on the sliding scale of ignorance, willful ignorance, and outright misrepresenration, and i'm leaning towards the latter given the tone/vibe of 409.

Also after me pointing out that i actually do have content on this topic, and that your original claim is incorrect, you changed your argument to me not having content about it *until prism poked me about it*, which is not what you were originally dinging me for, i will note as well. I guess you think this is an easier argument for you to win tho

You keep bringing this up, why?

Me, ceph, and fire all made similar criticisms of your posts so far. You're only scumreading me for it, however. To me, rhat implies that your read on me isnt real, because if you were inherently concerned with my line of questioning, you would be asking fire/ceph about *their* line of questio ning as well, bur you're not. You're all but ignoring their pushes on you

@vpb: sooooooo had you even read my posts when you said that i had no commentary on the ari/prism thing?

Also now that you've read them, you're moving the goalposts from: zero commentary on the argument to none until prism prodded me to my posts about the argument were weak ...

Also 240 is a direct response to 238, where prism questioned how i was reading her based on the ari/prism argument ...

Worthy of checking VPB's posts to assess accuracy but I recall agreeing with these at the time so they're likely valid. Not sure whether it was here or somewhere else, but I had a moving-goalposts issue with VPB too, and I typically don't excel at noticing things like that.

I feel like Skitter is probably logically correct in some way but is still scum but idk if that's ridiculous of me or not

It is ridiculous of you, yes

This post has already been lambasted appropriately, but I'm choosing to note again that it is challenging to see it as real. Refuge in logic is a scum tactic everyone learns about on their first day playing mafia.

I feel like Skitter is probably logically correct in some way but is still scum but idk if that's ridiculous of me or not

It is ridiculous of you, yes

does this imply that skitter is claiming she cannot be logically correct as scum? wild

Why is this what you're popping in to comment on >.>
And i dont think that's what i'm implying?
Pedit yes plz do, in particular 409 which i feel is incredibly misreppy

Dats ... >.>
That post has so many issues with it i dont even know where to begin

I noticed these two shifty-eye faces around Datisi and it made me wonder if they're emblematic of guilt over pushing Datisi. Could be town guilt from not wanting to doubt your friend, perhaps. There's obviously a preexisting relationship here. This is basic of me, but nonetheless. If I could use the search function on this, I would.

That is me attempting to scumhunt, yes. In the end I came away with a lean-scum read.

I did an iso with no particular aim in mind and dumped my thoughts as I went. It is useful for me to do and I may as well show my process if I'm going to be doing it anyway.

[VP Baltar]

its probably because he thinks townie thoughts

and here Im' closing in on my catch up and was going to tell you I might be down to lim prism with you. SAD

[VP Baltar]

His reads are also changing, in a good way, they arent static

which reads do you see changing from him?

[skitter30]

Read on me

[Aristeia]

its probably because he thinks townie thoughts

and here Im' closing in on my catch up and was going to tell you I might be down to lim prism with you. SAD

cool story

[VP Baltar]

Read on me

I'm thinking you're town. I'm only like 2 pages back now. I'll drop my full thoughts in a moment. I think your read on datisi is wrong, but so in on wrong things it seems townie to me.

[skitter30]

No i meant fire's read on me
I.e. that's a read that i think changed in a believable way

[VP Baltar]

No i meant fire's read on me
I.e. that's a read that i think changed in a believable way

oh pfffttttttt. I think you're a high probability pocket target if you're town (townie under threat, semi-reactive this game). I see a lot of sucking up to people in fire's play right now and I don't like it.

[Aristeia]

so fire sucked up to skitter by scumreading her

excellent takes vpb

[skitter30]

If he's scum he has no reason to switch and can just keep pushing me ?

And i think scum were trying to flip me more than pocket me .... why would they be pocketing me here ... ?

[VP Baltar]

so fire sucked up to skitter by scumreading her

excellent takes vpb

He was scum reading her. Isn't skitter saying he changed reads and is therefore now town reading her?

[VP Baltar]

Skitter what is fire's current read on you, town or scum? It kind of seemed like scum, but I'm jumping ahead to present times now because I played too much mafia today and I want to stop looking at this website soon

[skitter30]

Do not follow why people want to lim Baltar

he's scummy and skitter got less scummy