Mini Normal 2271 - Game Over

[koopashell]

Maybe you should have actually read my case on Mala/FL being paired before you started coming at me vaguely accusing me of only doing emotional outbursts. There is plenty of logic if you care to read.

look man

next time you're in that position, strategize — don't spite
hold onto your cards. people can pick up subtle things if you nudge them enough

Cool. Now vote Mala.

[koopashell]

Guess Scorpious' isn't as villagery though

crumb in this post btw . before someone wants to come at me because I said I crumbed it.

Can you explain like I am 5 how this is a gunsmith crumb?

first letter of the first 2 words.

The sentence itself is fairly forced.

Are you trying to look for a reason to push me?

No I am evaluating what you’re saying. Since it didn’t jump out at me I asked.

Vote Mala.

[Flavor Leaf]

Not even against the idea of Koopa being town fake claiming the PR to help them get clout.

[ItalianoVD]

You still have much to learn, young koopaling. Especially if Mala is actually scum here.

Truer words have never been spoken.

[koopashell]

Maybe if people wanted to actually find me as town here - I wouldn't have had to burn the secretiveness of my PR to gain credibility.
Just a thought - What I did was utilize my position as a Power Role to gain power over the gamestate. I learned this in chat mafia communities such as EpicMafia way back with setups such as VDLI where the whole point was to have a PR claimed to lead - sometimes town is so lost you need a leader and I stepped up.

You are the one who has much to learn, Italiano. I am no noob to this game - I do not need to be spoken down to as if I don't know what I am doing. I just ran circles around the gamestate to trap FL and Mala together and found FOUR spewed townies off that. And perhaps more based on their reactions - Mala is the best flip here by far.

Now vote Mala.

[koopashell]

I have no patience for complainers. I want solvers.

[Flavor Leaf]

LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

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MINI NORMAL 2271!!!!!

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No order between tiers. This list is made to pocket Scorpious, obvi.

Scorpious
ItalianoVD

MalcolmTucker
Malakittens

humaneatingmonkey
Mathblade
JacksonVirgo
Koopashell

Andresvmp

KittyTacky
Not Known 15

Roden

I spent a decent amount of time through the Koopa exchange and after thinking about all of this, and I have a lot of town reads, so unfortunately, I am wrong somewhere.

Dark Blue are Mala and Malcolm, and while I generally feel good for town reading them, and genuinely feel they are town, I can't help but be paranoid that there's scum there, but I really really want to be correct with the two of them.

Scorpious feels EXACTLY like the last game with them, and I feel like the way they pushed Koopa was genuine and came at a time that scum just wouldn't push Koopa.

Italiano, after starting to read HEM as town, instantly goes back here. There was just so much similarities that we were mindmelded. There's the theory that I town read them after they town read me, then Monkey did it, but I've cased Italiano and Monkey team already, and while I think it's a strong case, I don't know if I believe it right now. if I'm wrong on my green tier, it's this, but I don't think I'm wrong on my green tier.

Light blue are lean town reads, but there's enough there that I can easily put on scum teams. I dont think Koopa is faking emotion, if they are scum, theyre frustrated, but they could be using that. JV i don't have strong reasons to town read beyond meta and understanding why they would flip on Koopa where they did is really the biggest townie thing I see out of them. It's Day 1.

I've explained my Roden. The Mala wagon and my wagon have scum energy on them. Even if you believe that Mala/Myself are S/S, there's like no way scum doesn't bus there, so no matter what I feel there's at least 1 scum on Mala/Flavor wagons throughout this game, possibly 2 like a 1 on 1 then 1 on another. Roden was on both at different times, so I do think they have the highest chance of being scum so far.

NK15 I've had some townie spots with, and Pink is really light scum read, so really not too much. The push on me and incessant sticking of something we were long past is what sticks out, and Roden piggybacked onto this, and I feel Roden used this, and started calling out things I'm doing as a townie that they could push as scum.

Andres hasn't done much, neither has the slot before, pretty null. Null is starting to be lean scum, but it's not there on Day 1, especially not on a replacement and someone I know can catch scum.

Kitty has that leftover adjacent scum energy from the wagons/game state positioning.

I expect 1-2 scum in my Null and Below. Never the full team is in those 4.

I understand I have a lot of town reads right now, that's just where I'm at. Personally, I think it makes a lot of sense scum want to be town read by me, and then have me push a townie, best course of action, so I wouldn't be surprised to see 2 Scum in my town reads.

I think it's probably like 1 in my top 4 is scum, and then 1 in my Light Blue tier/Null/Pink tier are scum + Roden.

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Will Flavor defend another slot getting wagoned?

Can Scorpious learn to love lists?!

Is it possible for Koopa to disagree with a slot without getting emotional?!?!?!?!?!

FIND OUT NEXT TIME....on

LAST NIGHT TOMORROW!!!!!!!!

[humaneatingmonkey]

FL what's your read on HEM

[Flavor Leaf]

Scorpious
ItalianoVD
MalcolmTucker
Malakittens
humaneatingmonkey
Mathblade
JacksonVirgo
Koopashell

If you assume 3 scum, this is at minimum 5 slots correctly town read, though, so silver linings. Probably is more than 5 too.

[Flavor Leaf]

I want it summarized in your own words right now though - is that too much? I'm very concerned you suddenly stopped pushing him after momentum started.

That's partly the reason I stopped. And yeah, it's hard to do colors and stuff like that when I'm not settled, busy doing some other stuff, but basically, Idk, he took a good approach if he was scum by diffusing the situation with me. I called out the possibility of them seeing that I did that with Italiano, and that maybe the two of them are combined, and then I started seeing HEM/Italiano pairing, but RodenScum's been speaking out to me, and I do very much think that Roden and HEM are not scum together because of the odd double team.

Like I said, Roden seemed to piggyback onto NK15's posting towards me, but I did start to feel NK15 town vibes.

I also naturally have a tendency to go against the crowd reads, so the fact that the crowd started getting on board with HEM alongside me getting town read heavily gve me flashbacks to when I pushed Malcolm last game, and he flipped town, and I got a lot of heat for it even though it took much more than just me to get that wagon.

So it feels kind of similar to that, however, with Malcolm push, I was right to sniff the scum energy, but it was just slightly misplaced, so I looked near HEM, and Roden fits that as well.

I also do really feel like Malakittens is not trying to pocket me, and generally just sees that I am town, and I believe Roden was one of the Mala wagoners way back yonder as well, but I could be wrong on that one.

Mathblade town reading me now, but can easily be setting me up to be the face that takes the blame for a HEM misfade, so I'm actively giving pause on the HEM wagon, and when I started considering moving back to HEM, I also felt like I was almost compromising back to HEM, and that scum probably WANT me to go onto HEM, giving me a slight town read at times to HEM, but that could just be my paranoia of pushing through a misfade when I could have just been correct.

But when I look at the gamestate with the perspective of HEM town, then Italiano also comes off as townie to me, which makes sense, and that scum is more likely in a Roden/NK15 area than HEM/Italiano because my HEM read base did come off initially because of an Italiano scum read, and I was pushing HEM for their base foundation being incorrect but then mine ended up falling apart a little as well, however there are bases that it would work regardless.

I'm not super against the HEM wagon, and could be nice to see the flip, I just feel like I'm starting to think they're town. The devil's advocate in me naturally stays away from the crowd thought.

So that's where I'm at with HEM. hope that's good for now, ill still do my list when I want to come to a little bit more conclusivity.

[Flavor Leaf]

@HEM

[humaneatingmonkey]

it was a joke

[Flavor Leaf]

I am also carrying the game right now.

If you're carrying us, I'm hopping out of the backpack.

[Flavor Leaf]

It's also Day 1, nobody needs to be carried

Got many more day phases to play.

Now that I know Koopa's got that EpicMafia chat mafia experience, which makes a lot of sense given the way they tried, emphasis on tried, to empower their push with a claim, i now believe it can be coming from scum or a town fake claim, or a town real claim. They've essentially lost that credibility.

Chat Mafia is really fast paced so claiming as scum can just lead people to play a "follow the PR" game, which they have actively admitted to trying to abuse, so it is definitely within the scope of a KoopaScum Game to do the same thing.


Roden/Koopa/Kitty might be a solve, idk.

[Flavor Leaf]

Part of me thinks we should just let Koopa do Gunsmith actions a couple nights, then fade them Day 3.

Ignore any of their guilties, ignore their innos until after we fade them Day 3, then they can be conclusive.

Also makes scum, if Koopa is town, forced to leave a Gunsmith alive.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is also protection against Koopa faking a guilty, which I believe is definitely something they'd abuse to get momentum following them no matter what their alignment based on what they've said about themselves and how they play.

[koopashell]

HEM, why don't you ask more constructive questions like - why Flavor thinks Mala is such confident town over so many other players? (:

[Flavor Leaf]

HEM, why don't you ask more constructive questions like - why Flavor thinks Mala is such confident town over so many other players? (:

They don't need to ask me that, my thoughts are already out there for the world to see on that.

[koopashell]

Flavor more like Flailing

[koopashell]

Mr. I can't explain my Mala read without vagueness

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor more like Flailing

Hey, I'll take it. I don't flail as scum unless I'm trying to fake a town meta.

[koopashell]

Reasons for Mala town, according to FL:

[humaneatingmonkey]

i already asked him that so there's no point grilling there. the whole point of his malakittens read is it's gut and he's pocketed by their mindmeld. you can't really argue against that.
i really dont care to push further. i wanna flip malakittens first.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i mean, i dont need FL's permission to push Malakittens so

[koopashell]

FL is approaching their reads in a way that is meant to appease the people he wants to have credibility and push down people he doesnt want to have credibility. It isn't solving - it's bullshit. And you are trolling if you can't see the truth here.

Dude immediately made up a fake ass excuse to discount my claim being towny or not because he wants to discredit me.

Bury his partner and them him.

OR we can just bury him first. I really don't care at this point - it's flagrantly obvious.