Micro 1052: Lake Melancholy [END]

[Prism]

and by "refereeing" I mean "calling it TvT and only scratching the surface unless I pull you in by the collar"

[Prism]

skitter getting pelted by tomatoes for calling me/Ari TvT too easily

[VP Baltar]

Enchant

What up with that

[Prism]

did you try reading the post baltar

My vote is fine where it is IMO. We can leash him to a VT if we want but I don't think the claim is itself +town, modmeta is "Anything goes!" atm. Don't see why he trolls with that role either, obviously best left hidden but was practically daring me to vote him and softed vig. Borderline trolling to invite votes on a doctor, and while Enchant is troll-ish he's not actually a troll.

[skitter30]

Simultaneously, you seem to not understand my scumread on you at all and have not revisited my slot at all. You ignore a player with more familiarity with my scumgame that you deeply respect screaming at you from the rooftop that I faketilt and do counterintuitive shit all the time with ease.

I mean, before she signed off for the night i did ask her to talk to me abt it again tom since she has very strong reasons to sr you and she's very good at this game and i dont ger it

But yes i am completely ignoring her read

[skitter30]

You are exactly right about the circumstances surrounding my tilt being town. Your refereeing of me/Aristeia was deeply questionable and I don't buy the argument that you play into it. This is not your first rodeo with us, we need no help ripping each other limb by limb indefinitely

Why am i even still townreading u if i'm scum here ...

[Prism]

Deep down Enchant does have some tryhard in him and follows some basic mechanics. Hardtrolling as a doc-role does not really fit that even if technically possible.

I don't know how many games you have seen in the last two years but the modmeta atm is literally to punish even the most basic level of rolespec, ex. the mini normal with 3 doctors, the mini normal with a vanilla cop, 3 killblocking PRs, and all goons, the game with mafia neighbors

[skitter30]

And i also object to the characterization of 'refereeing' you, as i was not

[Prism]

You are exactly right about the circumstances surrounding my tilt being town. Your refereeing of me/Aristeia was deeply questionable and I don't buy the argument that you play into it. This is not your first rodeo with us, we need no help ripping each other limb by limb indefinitely

Why am i even still townreading u if i'm scum here ...

Open choice with multiple viable paths, you're not a brick. As long as the split isn't me vs. you you're not currently in danger from it and I'm actually more likely to get flipped instead.

[Prism]

I actually thought that "refereeing" was too vague and charitable which is why I sharpened my point LMAO

[skitter30]

Ok well maybe ari will convince me you're scum tomorrow and then i'll have the neat trajectory needed to vote u

[Prism]

Go for it, just be sure to explain why you were ever so certain and dismissive to begin with.

[skitter30]

I already explained why i townread you
You even approved of the read

Idk what else u want from me tbh

[VP Baltar]

Deep down Enchant does have some tryhard in him and follows some basic mechanics. Hardtrolling as a doc-role does not really fit that even if technically possible.

I don't know how many games you have seen in the last two years but the modmeta atm is literally to punish even the most basic level of rolespec, ex. the mini normal with 3 doctors, the mini normal with a vanilla cop, 3 killblocking PRs, and all goons, the game with mafia neighbors

So you think the role is real, but scum aligned? Or a fake claim?

[Prism]

I can see either but a complete fakeclaim relies on someone familiar with Flavor Leaf's games.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I wish I were Cephrir so I could just talk shit to everyone instead of trying. This game is too hard.

[Prism]

I was working on posting a giant progression from skitter only to find that she gave something actually incredibly believable in her progression so WELP

Maybe I should just shut up and vote Baltar and let her carry me/Aristeia both

Had me as puzzlingly null/idk despite calling it TvT repeatedly, really weird juxtaposition/followups. Main focus was that I seemed to believe what I was writing despite not clearly understanding it fully+qualifying that I might believe it anyway/wasn't townreading me for it.

Then I actually explain after the argument is over and 562 happens which clearly switches from townlean for vaguely believing it to almost certainly town.

Spoiler:

Small sample of skitter's larger progression. Brief mech intro, doesn't really careSpitballs that mech isn't directly implicating in 106. Ari makes the skitter+Prism accusation in 152 and at this point me/Ari start going at it, makes one more attempt to ignore mech in 169.

Dayplay critique slapfighting from me/Aristeia starts.

I dont really have thoughts on this ari/prism thing, i think they can plausibly be tvt

Doesn't weigh in on either of our points, complete ignore the actual arguments until I flag her down.

I have yes. I'm not convinced either of u are scum

I dont think ari enters the game claiming novice mailman and uses that to push you (/ me) - while scum-her might want to push us two, i dont think she thinks this would br a particularly convincing/winning path

I dont have a strong read on you, but i similarly dont think you beinf ascetic is inherently scum indicative

We can at least say you're probably not scum together, i suppose

And i think prism probably believes what she's pushing ari for rn

Second post is an immediate tag-on to the first, ~1 minute. Maybe I believe it as scum too, sure.

My argument is that you previously went on a snipehunt chasing my partner before me in the Mini Normal. I don't think you even start on that path again and just focus squarely on me.

Your response to this was that you understood the connection. However you didn't spend that much time on it, and you weren't actually voting skitter. In comparison, you actually wound up forcing my "partner" through first in the other game as you were already there. This distinction is a mitigating response with further depth of context, not a complete rejection.

Perhaps you are in fact town and this distinction critical. Acting like there's obviously no real connection and it's irrational from my end to expect this makes me suspect it is in bad faith.

You're behaving differently than how town-prism thinks you would behave here - namely, she doesn't think you would start a push on a teamread involving here again after the events of that game
/ you would keep the events of last game in mind as you make fhis push here

You're not and she finds this suspicious

I dont know wjat the events of last game are so i really couldnt say if this is a reasonable expectation or not

The bolded seems slightly important before declaring this TvT.

I also think your understanding for how she'd approach this is wrong (and somewhat hard to follow) but i think you probably (?) believe it.

Ot at least i dont really scumread you for it

I think its basically a tvt argument

, and i'm just letting u play yourselves out so we can get to more interesting things, like whether vpb is scum

Again ??? juxtaposition.

Probably town

324 to Baltar has me probably as town, presumably for believing in my argument without digging to see if it was reasonable.

Decisive moment comes with:

It was more of a townlean before

And you just conveyed ur perspective in a way that just *explains* why you were so sus of ari and why you were scumreading her. Like the pieces fell into place and the perspective for ur half if the argument just makes *sense* now
Which makes me think town

[Prism]

Perhaps The Decisive Moment Is That She Is Town

[Prism]

Are you still scum? Maybe

Is that read completely arbitrary in strength and timing? No

[Prism]

aw shit IT'S THE REFLECTIVE STEPBACK

IS THAT ARISTEIA'S MUSIC

[skitter30]

Wut

[Prism]

I expected to track through your read on me and find overly confident and weirdly timed garbage.

I found the garbage when I worked through the beginnings and hit the 540s-560s. The garbage is me :')

Spoiler is what I was writing before I hit the brakes

[Aristeia]

you could copy paste your role pm in here and she woudn't believe you're mafia

[Prism]

I think there's be a good reason for that tbh

[Prism]

Anyway I'm decisively in Clown Land with you at this point, no shred of dignity left, we can flip me now we can flip me later we can wait and hope Datisi/skitter are town and carry us but absolute clown shit