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[koopashell]

Asking you to back up your claims with receipts is not discrediting.

You are discrediting yourself by not obliging.

on a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you think i care?

A 0, because I do not think you are town.

[koopashell]

jv locktown

reread 1 post, I do not want that slot eliminated this game ever.

That's quite a statement to make. Can I ask what post you reread

Or can you at least give me a hint if it's about something hidden.

I'll keep it a secret just for fun.

If it's just for fun I would rather you out it so I'll be locktown to everyone as well. As well as to gauge if such a post does in fact exist and you aren't making it up to excuse not getting shot.

If people won't listen to my reasoning for my regular townreads at all - what makes you think you have any chance?

[Flavor Leaf]

I will be doing it tonight or tomorrow while I'm on the bart.

More annoyed I get by the situation more time I'm gonna take.

I gotta get some writing time in today, so im gonna be trying to take a break.

[Roden]

Roden, I just don't care.

Every single time you come up and discredit is after I had gone and spent hours going back and forth with others.

I'm just so over it, and not even pushing you at this point anymore.

I'm like only half reading your posts because my mental capacity for doing another 1v1 is not there. im not in go back and find things mode.

This is a very convenient mind set to have when asked to follow through with the basics of a scum case.

I didn't ask you to 1v1 a bunch of other players. If you're exhausted then stop spreading yourself thin and acting like you're confident certain players will flip red.

[JacksonVirgo]

jv locktown

reread 1 post, I do not want that slot eliminated this game ever.

That's quite a statement to make. Can I ask what post you reread

Or can you at least give me a hint if it's about something hidden.

I'll keep it a secret just for fun.

If it's just for fun I would rather you out it so I'll be locktown to everyone as well. As well as to gauge if such a post does in fact exist and you aren't making it up to excuse not getting shot.

If people won't listen to my reasoning for my regular townreads at all - what makes you think you have any chance?

What's the harm. I'd like it done even if it is for myself and myself alone.

[koopashell]

Koopa, don't try to 1v1 Leaf. His entire strategy is to rile up anyone who goes against him so that no one will want to listen to them. I know it sucks but if you argue with him, he's going to bait you into hyper posting and it'll discredit your takes on the game.

Too late. But I know how to deal with it. I will simply ask the same question repeatedly and refuse to allow the subject to change

[koopashell]

No, you still make me very uncomfortable. I don’t know why you would claim such an excruciatingly complex role with zero pressure to do so.
Coupled with your response of “not wanting to screw up” or whatever you said. You’re not worried about screwing up. You know better..

It also pinged me that your claim interlocks almost perfectly with koopa’s..
and if you’re both town you have greatly reduced our win chances with these decisions..

With this player list of you are both outed town scum is going to eat us alive ….


Pedit— are we at ludicrous posting yet?
Pedit 2- we’re plaid for sure
Pedit 3- what comes after plaid?

I claimed because I believed it to be in Town's best interest. Throughout the day, and since the Gunsmith claimed my theory of me being a false-guilty to them grew stronger than the belief that my base role existed in the game.

And since the Gunsmith seemed to have be in his scum-pool and seemed overly tunnelled about it I felt super pressured into doing so as a false-guilty on me would almost certainly mean I die, and if my base-role does exist that would double down as being worse than if I risked getting red-checked.

Just how Millers should claim day 1, I assumed that I was such role and thus claimed. I was actually incredibly stressed with deciding whether or not I should claim, it's why I said that koopa's claim screwed a lot up. Because my claim had the possibility to literally fuck up so much as that's two town PRs possibly outted for no real reason in the case of my base role existing.

Regarding the win-con, would you prefer I risked getting red-checked? That's a fair thing to think, I was questioning the same thing but just came to a different conclusion than you seem that you would have done in my position. The interlock with koopa's role doesn't read to me like a scum-tell at all, wouldn't that be a +1 for me being Town as contradictions in the Towns PRs usually out the mafia in it.

I am not confirmed Town in the least, don't treat me as such and you'll be gucci. I consider myself a miller and I do not believe my base-role exists. I have a LOT of doubt.

Fiiine ^ it was this post

[koopashell]

Spoiler:

Self-consciousness isn't a scumtell IMHO.

I don't know how koopa "reads from the hip" on pages 1-2 and expects to be accurate in any way.

UNVOTE:

I don't really like Mala but I will refrain from really voting them for nyow.

FOS: Malakittens

These 2 quotes are directly connected - They may be 100 posts apart, but the consistency in thought process is maintained for Kitty. They didn't care for the defensiveness but later saw something minor that was said they didn't like.

Self-consciousness isn't a scumtell IMHO.

I don't know how koopa "reads from the hip" on pages 1-2 and expects to be accurate in any way.

UNVOTE:

I don't really like Mala but I will refrain from really voting them for nyow.

FOS: Malakittens

Like Italiano has a lot of shade thrown at Mala, *however*, he is pushing elsewhere instead, rather than pursuing a read that in words is their strongest wolfread, when you look at the things Italiano has said.

Also this world I feel that Salad slot also fits in as the 3rd wolf - in which case I need to wait for Salad to post here to see how they act.

Now that you mentyion it, yeah I agree and I'm willing to sheep this.
VOTE: ItalianoVD

Mala and Italiano are both scummy to me right meow.

Also Mala has not once reacted to Italiano's shade against her, but has replied to mostly everyone pushing her otherwise.

This is my issue. I've given her plenty of things to respond to and I only get a joke. I think?

But you said 224 just before?

Kitty is genuinely parsing the game. The final quote - shows that Kitty is questioning Italiano for something they said before that they believe is contradictory to what they are saying in the moment.

VOTE: Koopa

For flooding the game with crappy contradicting logic.

Scorpious stonks going down.

Speaking of contradicting logic, did anyone else notice how Mala went fully into lurkspace after people stopped pushing them? Sus.

Pointed this out before - this post shows Kitty is paying attention and applying focus in multiple places -> A townie thing. Scum will generally try not to get too spread out as to not lose control.

VOTE: kitty

I read their meta and got cold feet.
I also read Kitty's meta and this feels correct.

Everyone's buzzing around and saying I'm scummy but nobody's elaborating. Why?

I play like this every game as either alignment. It's just my playstyle, sometimes I get scumread for it.

^
Genuine post

Let's wagon Kitty.

I'd probably be more willing to do so if there wasn't so much resistance to a Mala wagon every time it cropped up while she lurks out the pressure.

Yeah I don't see how I am a wagon target when Mala is scummy as all get up and lurks way harder than me.

Not a point in Kitty's favor but this was interesting about the gamestate at the time

Is it AtE about how offended they are that their town playstyle has been wrongfully called "lost"?

As scum, that's amazing cover and Im probably gonna double down when people underestimate me like that. He didnt, and it makes me think its likely genuine

He got very annoyed when I pushed him last game, called me dense and stubborn in the same way a townie would if wrongfully pushed (the push was on mechanics), etc.

Pulling out meta like this is +town.

There's almost definitely at least one scum between {Malakittens, JacksonVirgo, Scorpious}. Italiano seems less scummy after a reevaluation but it's possible. But I'm voting between those three today barring something shaking up the gamestate in an extreme manner.

Man the consistency of these reads ... wow. Also it is not static either -> there is progression to more.

This is fully natural to me. I do not play this way but I do not also see it from wolves either.

I am also aware I am wrong on at least one scumread, since there are 3 scum and I have 4 scumreads. I doubt I just clapped all 3 scum day 1 but if I had to pick just one to be wrong about, it's be ItalianoVD.

Consistent with previous thoughts.

I think I will stop here -> You get the point. This slot is town to me, and these are posts why.

this is my kinda towncase on Kitty and the posts I found towny from them.

[JacksonVirgo]

No, you still make me very uncomfortable. I don’t know why you would claim such an excruciatingly complex role with zero pressure to do so.
Coupled with your response of “not wanting to screw up” or whatever you said. You’re not worried about screwing up. You know better..

It also pinged me that your claim interlocks almost perfectly with koopa’s..
and if you’re both town you have greatly reduced our win chances with these decisions..

With this player list of you are both outed town scum is going to eat us alive ….


Pedit— are we at ludicrous posting yet?
Pedit 2- we’re plaid for sure
Pedit 3- what comes after plaid?

I claimed because I believed it to be in Town's best interest. Throughout the day, and since the Gunsmith claimed my theory of me being a false-guilty to them grew stronger than the belief that my base role existed in the game.

And since the Gunsmith seemed to have be in his scum-pool and seemed overly tunnelled about it I felt super pressured into doing so as a false-guilty on me would almost certainly mean I die, and if my base-role does exist that would double down as being worse than if I risked getting red-checked.

Just how Millers should claim day 1, I assumed that I was such role and thus claimed. I was actually incredibly stressed with deciding whether or not I should claim, it's why I said that koopa's claim screwed a lot up. Because my claim had the possibility to literally fuck up so much as that's two town PRs possibly outted for no real reason in the case of my base role existing.

Regarding the win-con, would you prefer I risked getting red-checked? That's a fair thing to think, I was questioning the same thing but just came to a different conclusion than you seem that you would have done in my position. The interlock with koopa's role doesn't read to me like a scum-tell at all, wouldn't that be a +1 for me being Town as contradictions in the Towns PRs usually out the mafia in it.

I am not confirmed Town in the least, don't treat me as such and you'll be gucci. I consider myself a miller and I do not believe my base-role exists. I have a LOT of doubt.

Fiiine ^ it was this post

Ahaha sorry to be a killjoy :p

Can I ask what about it?

[JacksonVirgo]

Thought you saw my soft and was initially curious how you managed it. It's quite obscure

[Flavor Leaf]

Roden, I just don't care.

Every single time you come up and discredit is after I had gone and spent hours going back and forth with others.

I'm just so over it, and not even pushing you at this point anymore.

I'm like only half reading your posts because my mental capacity for doing another 1v1 is not there. im not in go back and find things mode.

This is a very convenient mind set to have when asked to follow through with the basics of a scum case.

I didn't ask you to 1v1 a bunch of other players. If you're exhausted then stop spreading yourself thin and acting like you're confident certain players will flip red.

i don't mind 1v1'ing players. just do it on my own time.

And I feel like I've repeated my self so many times at this point.

Fucking surface level town you are if you're town. holy shit.

HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS IS FUCKING DAY 1 AND HAVE FUCKING CONFIDENCE WITH ANY FUCKING PLAYER

FUCKING DAY 1

I have actively fucking stated im likely to be wrong with certain solves.

Actively stated i think there is scum in my town reads.

Ignorant af or purposeful getting me riled up scum.

No inbetween.

[Flavor Leaf]

honestly fuck this game

[JacksonVirgo]

Aww plz don't get heated.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm just done with that ignorant ass shit

[koopashell]

Can you quote the point in Roden's ISO you thought they were wolfy?

[koopashell]

Please don't react like a toddler being asked to eat their vegetables.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dont fucking talk to me about Roden right now.

Like actually.

Im done talking to Roden and I'm done talking about Roden until this day phase is over.

[Flavor Leaf]

Please don't react like a toddler being asked to eat their vegetables.

Learned from you.

[Flavor Leaf]

Don't tell me how to react. I'll react how I want.

[JacksonVirgo]

@FL want a photo of a cute cat.

[Flavor Leaf]

It's not even Roden's fault, probably more Koopa's, but Roden broke the straw.

Seriously done with those fucking ignorant statements acting like I'm 100% fucking sure, acting like I haven't done extensive fucking paragraphs of explaining on almost every fucking slot.

[Flavor Leaf]

@FL want a photo of a cute cat.

yes.

[JacksonVirgo]

Well you're getting two cute kittens.

[koopashell]

Roden and Italian are the two that I've sniffed some scum energy on thus far. Too early to tell if that's accurate or not, because at least with Italian I've seen a few townie energy auras coming off of em.

Man, this human's obsessed with me.

@Roden - wasn't that serious

So much FL talk when I was away, that's what I like to see. Even when I'm not here, the spotlight loves me

Nah you don't get to backpedal after you made several solves that make me a PoE choice without explaining anything.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

This is probably coming from town who hasn't learned how to look past getting POE scum read as a personal thing.

@Koopa - I don't think I'm correct with all those reads I've had, I'm even starting to flip flop on Roden a bit more. Mainly because I want to see NK15 push harder if he's scum, but I don't think I'm wrong on all of them either.

it was more i felt it at the time, then stopped feeling it. the more you talk, the more i actually start to scum read Roden again, though.

Mainly because the more you talk the more I'm getting a feeling you might be town who's just looking at the game in black and white.

I get my reads through direct interaction.

Otherwise it's mainly gamestate reads from the perspective I have at the time I give the read.

Roden was all gamestate reads at the time since I hadn't interacted with them.

Scum manipulate gamestate, so by looking at my past gamestate reads in the future, I can look to see where scum were manipulating things as the days go on.

This is an interesting set of posts I've found about Roden throughout the game.

Notably I find that things don't line up here: FL switched up the reasoning for why he FOS'd Roden.

Vibes -> Gamestate

The former implies specific posts, the latter implies PoE.

[JacksonVirgo]

@koopa you didn't explain why about that post.