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[KittyTacky]

Like Italiano has a lot of shade thrown at Mala, *however*, he is pushing elsewhere instead, rather than pursuing a read that in words is their strongest wolfread, when you look at the things Italiano has said.

Also this world I feel that Salad slot also fits in as the 3rd wolf - in which case I need to wait for Salad to post here to see how they act.

Now that you mentyion it, yeah I agree and I'm willing to sheep this.
VOTE: ItalianoVD

Mala and Italiano are both scummy to me right meow.

neither of these are very good takes imo

It all made sense at the time.

[Gamma Emerald]

Understandable.

[Gamma Emerald]

Idea:
Scorpious Traitor
Italiano and Mala wolves.

I need to so another reISO session later.
The push on me is very flimsy and utilitizes things I know are present in my playstyle that wolves very often think are "wolfy" looking. I know because, obviously, I see it first hand :p

In other news I think HEM is a villager based on recent posts, unfortunately its a sort of conviction/want to be heard kind of energy I see in them.

That being said, we have not seen this in a while, I'll take the advice that no one wants to pressure inactive slots(poor decision imo but I am not a 1 man army) and: VOTE: Mala

Ngl this constant reISO deal is starting to feel like a lot of useless noise

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay idr where I heard joke phase before but full disclosure I was gonna vote Scorpious eventually so that’s inconsequential

[Gamma Emerald]

There are no masons in the setup.

[Gamma Emerald]

It's possible, though, but I'm a mason so i have the different pov, obvi

Didn't you do this claim before as scum in a game with me?

With DkKoba to be precise if I am correct.

Hey DK is the person that made me aware of this site where are they?
I saw them host a game with this ruleset on MU, and it seemed cool to me.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/D32EHS748D4[/youtube]

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VC 1.28

With 13 players, it takes 7 to make a decision. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-04-25 00:30:00).

VC

Not Known 15 [3]:

MalcolmTucker [1537], JacksonVirgo [1607], Malakittens [1806]

humaneatingmonkey [3]:

Not Known 15 [1337], MathBlade [1936], koopashell [2166]

KittyTacky [2]:

ItalianoVD [1867], Scorpious [1982]

Scorpious [2]:

KittyTacky [1791], Gamma Emerald [2198]

Malakittens [1]:

humaneatingmonkey [792]

Not voting [2]:

Andresvmb, Roden [2123]

[Gamma Emerald]

It's possible, though, but I'm a mason so i have the different pov, obvi

Didn't you do this claim before as scum in a game with me?

With DkKoba to be precise if I am correct.

Hey DK is the person that made me aware of this site where are they?
I saw them host a game with this ruleset on MU, and it seemed cool to me.

EBWOP

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you a DkKoba alt?

Holy fucking shit you’re Koba, aren’t you!?

[Gamma Emerald]

Man, this human's obsessed with me.

@Roden - wasn't that serious

So much FL talk when I was away, that's what I like to see. Even when I'm not here, the spotlight loves me

Nah you don't get to backpedal after you made several solves that make me a PoE choice without explaining anything.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

This is probably coming from town who hasn't learned how to look past getting POE scum read as a personal thing.

I'm not invested enough in this game to care that you scum read me.

What does matter is that you kept trying to tie me in to multiple solves, never explained why, then backed off when nobody bit and you got confronted on it.

why weren’t you invested atp?

I'm just having fun with y'all at this point.

I've explained why you wrong, just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean it's not true.

I see why koopa has been spouting a ton of bravado about my slot being “caught scum” because this is extremely uncharismatic play by flavor leaf, which he does sometimes as town. And like, it’s a standard day when flavor leaf is making an ass of himself.

[Gamma Emerald]

Can we reset this gamestate
We're in too deep on this circular conversation..

Human and I actually havent gone back and forth too much directly, tbh.

To be fair, he only knows how to discredit which is an issue from both scum and town alignments on their part, but it's not ineffective.

lmao projection

You keep using that word; I don't think you know what it means.

For a theater nerd Flavor sure missed the damn mark with this one. Doesn’t help that I just saw Princess Bride for like the fifth time overall over the weekend

[Gamma Emerald]

Incredibly - I went through some meta on Scorpious.. and I am shocked to find that their WOLFPLAY has more depth than their villager play somehow.
When comparing:
This wolf game from a game called Internal Affairs:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=26244
and this Villager game from a game called Polish Rap:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=26244

Also interesting tidbit I found in the wolf chat:
Subject: Infernal Affairs Mafia PT

Oh, yeah. You should know that.

I’ll be scum read by page 4. I just come off as scum all the time. I usually get out of it but. There will be a push on me. I’m just not that good at this, but I like the game so much.

I feel like I’m pretty familiar with how Scorpious plays as town and this doesn’t feel like it

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait no scratch that

[MalcolmTucker]

Koopa - in the nicest possible way, if you choke the gamestate to this extent then some of us are just going to find it incredibly hard to read and catch up. You are allowed to make your points and move on. Please stop asserting that you have definitively "caught" someone, if you are town then this is extraordinarily unlikely for even the best of players.

I do still think Koopa is town but I'm finding their reads incredibly unreliable and based on attempts to confirm their own bias. They spot a supposed small slip from Flavor on their Roden read without acknowledging that reads can evolve and change. I'd wager almost every player will almost have some inconsistency in how they perceive players because, again, reads evolve and change, and people often express themselves in different ways at times in ways that can become confused. Koopa will also use previous meta as a reason to excuse a player like NK15 but unless they are dedicating every waking moment they have to this game their meta info on some players in the game will clearly be quite limited. That's fine, it's useful for context, but please stop using these meta reads for a definitive outlook on the game.

Gamma's posts make me even more confident than I was before that the slot is town. I felt Flavor was town anyway but if Gamma was mafia they would likely want to keep me onside if I had the wrong read of them. Gamma's post that I'm on their radar interested me because it feels like a townie player having a genuinely different read from their predecessor.

I'll back either a Kitty/Nk15 wagon today, I think the latter is more obvious but still feels a bit obvious given it's D1. I think it's very possible that Kitty could be hanging back a bit more to differentiate from other members of their team, and I don't see any reason the two couldn't be teammates given interactions and posts since the idea of either of them as main wagon was floated.

Jackson is town for me and I think anyone pushing there is wasting energy. The claim was genuine and before that Jackson had already expressed concerns that Koopa was misreading potential roles in the game which troubled them. I don't think Scorpious has been approaching the game as mafia would but I don't like that they've now pushed two role claimed players.

[MalcolmTucker]

Idea:
Scorpious Traitor
Italiano and Mala wolves.

I need to so another reISO session later.
The push on me is very flimsy and utilitizes things I know are present in my playstyle that wolves very often think are "wolfy" looking. I know because, obviously, I see it first hand :p

In other news I think HEM is a villager based on recent posts, unfortunately its a sort of conviction/want to be heard kind of energy I see in them.

That being said, we have not seen this in a while, I'll take the advice that no one wants to pressure inactive slots(poor decision imo but I am not a 1 man army) and: VOTE: Mala

Ngl this constant reISO deal is starting to feel like a lot of useless noise

This is one of my major issues with how Koopa is playing irrespective of alignment, they are giving the impression of doing a lot of work by going back and continually combing through ISOs but it's still D1 and we don't know who is mafia for definite, given their approach they are clearly analysing some of these players with pre-confirmed biases in mind.

[MalcolmTucker]

VOTE: nk15

NK is a compromise. Honestly unsure about them at this point in the game, they're neutral. But if the alternative is no lim or me, then sure.

I'm aware not everyone is keen on associatives, but I don't like this post at all if looking at the game from a POV where Kitty is mafia but a team member who deliberately held back from pushing Flavor earlier in the game.

If they are teammates, quite possible Kitty is acknowledging one of them may have to be sacrificed albeit reluctantly to move on. The uncertainty would allow Kitty not to back a mafia teammate while avoiding putting any further pressure on them in case an alternative wagon does emerge.

But, of course, this would involve us having two mafia as our main wagons on D1...which feels incredibly unlikely. So to be taken with a large pinch of salt.

[Not Known 15]

Roden

and Italian are the two that

I've sniffed some scum energy on

thus far. Too early to tell if that's accurate or not, because at least with Italian I've seen a few townie energy auras coming off of em.

it was more i felt it at the time, then stopped feeling it. the more you talk, the more i actually start to scum read Roden again, though.

Mainly because the more you talk the more I'm getting a feeling you might be town who's just looking at the game in black and white.

I get my reads through direct interaction.

Otherwise it's mainly gamestate reads from the perspective I have at the time I give the read.

Roden was all gamestate reads at the time since I hadn't interacted with them.

Scum manipulate gamestate, so by looking at my past gamestate reads in the future, I can look to see where scum were manipulating things as the days go on.

these 2 posts

The catchup nested within spoilers is performative to me,

i was trying to elicit some sort of interaction with italiano, but they stone walled.


Fine, you convinced me.

Human/Italiano/Roden + 1 lesser active player way too early scum prediction,

and also all based individually

as well.

In that order for me.

[Not Known 15]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[MalcolmTucker]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Uh, about that...

[Not Known 15]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Uh, about that...

Yes?
Koopa is right.
FL talked BS, and I had the evidence to back it up further.

[Gamma Emerald]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84936
Read D1 of this game and tell me this can’t be FL’s town play (to be clear: FL = Pretentious)

[MalcolmTucker]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Uh, about that...

Yes?
Koopa is right.
FL talked BS, and I had the evidence to back it up further.

Flavor is no longer in the game.

[Not Known 15]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Uh, about that...

Yes?
Koopa is right.
FL talked BS, and I had the evidence to back it up further.

Flavor is no longer in the game.

VOTE: GammaEmerald

[JacksonVirgo]

Not even going to lie, I think if koopa wasn't a PR claimant I'd think they would be paired with either Kitty or NK as they keep attempting to switch to another wagon immediately after saying they'd settle down on a vote. Like not like gradual, wait I do think this is better type of movement. They throw up a case, it gets debunks and they settle back down.

[MalcolmTucker]

Not even going to lie, I think if koopa wasn't a PR claimant I'd think they would be paired with either Kitty or NK as they keep attempting to switch to another wagon immediately after saying they'd settle down on a vote. Like not like gradual, wait I do think this is better type of movement. They throw up a case, it gets debunks and they settle back down.

Their arguments for avoiding both players are incredibly vague too. They keep saying Kitty's ISO progression wouldn't make sense as mafia but there's little actual evidence for why this is the case and it's again Koopa basically deciding their view of the game is definitive and cannot be wrong. Likewise they claim to have done a meta check on NK15 which somehow acts as clearing them when this is evidently nonsense.