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[MalcolmTucker]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Uh, about that...

Yes?
Koopa is right.
FL talked BS, and I had the evidence to back it up further.

Flavor is no longer in the game.

VOTE: GammaEmerald

Have Gamma's posts since they entered the game made you reflect on your position re this at all?

[JacksonVirgo]

Not even going to lie, I think if koopa wasn't a PR claimant I'd think they would be paired with either Kitty or NK as they keep attempting to switch to another wagon immediately after saying they'd settle down on a vote. Like not like gradual, wait I do think this is better type of movement. They throw up a case, it gets debunks and they settle back down.

Their arguments for avoiding both players are incredibly vague too. They keep saying Kitty's ISO progression wouldn't make sense as mafia but there's little actual evidence for why this is the case and it's again Koopa basically deciding their view of the game is definitive and cannot be wrong. Likewise they claim to have done a meta check on NK15 which somehow acts as clearing them when this is evidently nonsense.

They also have made this awkward lock-town status on me, and when I asked them the core of that their response did not radiate the confidence of when they originally said I was lock-town. They also didn't respond to me calling this out.

This is all very curious

[Malakittens]

Not even going to lie, I think if koopa wasn't a PR claimant I'd think they would be paired with either Kitty or NK as they keep attempting to switch to another wagon immediately after saying they'd settle down on a vote. Like not like gradual, wait I do think this is better type of movement. They throw up a case, it gets debunks and they settle back down.

its possible that koopa could be a scum pr

but either way hes not the lim for today

sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


i still want nk or kitty lim

gamma thoughts

you honestly gave me faith of my fl townread

[Not Known 15]

Koopa - in the nicest possible way, if you choke the gamestate to this extent then some of us are just going to find it incredibly hard to read and catch up. You are allowed to make your points and move on. Please stop asserting that you have definitively "caught" someone, if you are town then this is extraordinarily unlikely for even the best of players.

I do still think Koopa is town but I'm finding their reads incredibly unreliable and based on attempts to confirm their own bias. They spot a supposed small slip from Flavor on their Roden read without acknowledging that reads can evolve and change. I'd wager almost every player will almost have some inconsistency in how they perceive players because, again, reads evolve and change, and people often express themselves in different ways at times in ways that can become confused. Koopa will also use previous meta as a reason to excuse a player like NK15 but unless they are dedicating every waking moment they have to this game their meta info on some players in the game will clearly be quite limited. That's fine, it's useful for context, but please stop using these meta reads for a definitive outlook on the game.

Gamma's posts make me even more confident than I was before that the slot is town. I felt Flavor was town anyway but if Gamma was mafia they would likely want to keep me onside if I had the wrong read of them. Gamma's post that I'm on their radar interested me because it feels like a townie player having a genuinely different read from their predecessor.

I'll back either a Kitty/Nk15 wagon today, I think the latter is more obvious but still feels a bit obvious given it's D1. I think it's very possible that Kitty could be hanging back a bit more to differentiate from other members of their team, and I don't see any reason the two couldn't be teammates given interactions and posts since the idea of either of them as main wagon was floated.

Jackson is town for me and I think anyone pushing there is wasting energy. The claim was genuine and before that Jackson had already expressed concerns that Koopa was misreading potential roles in the game which troubled them. I don't think Scorpious has been approaching the game as mafia would but I don't like that they've now pushed two role claimed players.

Yes, people's reads can change. They can even have inconsistencies despite being town, however...
FL didn't react well on these inconsistencies. Instead of admitting them, FL dismissed my concerns and indirectly told me to look somewhere else.
Gamma's 2220 is scummy. That linked game seems to show FL being yeeted after a blunder as town as evidence for towniness.
It is not. In that game, FL was close to e-1, claimed... and got down, later yeeted. FL has been pushed, but not even close to e-1 . There, FL made an error not really indicative of scum(trying to hammer someone at e-2).

[koopashell]

I literally gave specific reasons.
Also - its called Brainstorming, JV.

[Andresvmb]

Can someone tell me where to vote for now? I’m so far behind and I’m going to need to invest some time into actually reading. I trust Kitty’s accuracy somewhat so if they’re Town here, I’ll give them my vote.

[Andresvmb]

I have realized that I need to make a real effort to play from the very beginning otherwise it just gets daunting.

[Andresvmb]

I’m back home but I have to try and survive the work day and then I can read and post better.

[Andresvmb]

In the mean time I’ll just vote VOTE: Scorpious.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: NK15

Does anyone TR NK15? If so why?

I have seen a lot of wanting NK15 but not actually voting NK15 which is a sign of a wagon on scum.

[koopashell]

Really seeing some creative takes really intent to discredit the eork I've put into the gamr

[koopashell]

VOTE: NK15

Does anyone TR NK15? If so why?

I have seen a lot of wanting NK15 but not actually voting NK15 which is a sign of a wagon on scum.

How do you look at the latest string of posts from him and think hes wolfy

[koopashell]

Mans literally posted analysis and because you disagree with his read you vote him.
That's not good play fam.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: NK15

Does anyone TR NK15? If so why?

I have seen a lot of wanting NK15 but not actually voting NK15 which is a sign of a wagon on scum.

How do you look at the latest string of posts from him and think hes wolfy

Because he’s pushing on Gamma/FL slot which is obvTown imho. You really seem to be in a conf bias tunnel.

Yes you’ve been working a lot but it’s more screaming and shouting down those who don’t agree.

I townread everyone on the wagon. Works for me.

[koopashell]

Your definition of obvtown is creative - to put it nicely

[MathBlade]

Mans literally posted analysis and because you disagree with his read you vote him.
That's not good play fam.

That’s not the only reason? Yes it is one but not the only.

Why are you so concerned about a NK15 vote if you don’t TR them?
And again if you do why?

[MathBlade]

VC 1.28

With 13 players, it takes 7 to make a decision. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-04-25 00:30:00).

VC

Not Known 15 [3]:

MalcolmTucker [1537], JacksonVirgo [1607], Malakittens [1806]

humaneatingmonkey [3]:

Not Known 15 [1337], MathBlade [1936], koopashell [2166]

KittyTacky [2]:

ItalianoVD [1867], Scorpious [1982]

Scorpious [2]:

KittyTacky [1791], Gamma Emerald [2198]

Malakittens [1]:

humaneatingmonkey [792]

Not voting [2]:

Andresvmb, Roden [2123]

We are approaching D1 normal hyperposting levels and no one is talking with each other.

We’ve hit a point where tons more posts isn’t the answer.

Figuring out NK15’s alignment then backtracking everyone seems a lot more useful than some hero wagon at this point given all the scumreads.

[MathBlade]

D1 large normal*

This is a mini with 5 less players*

[MalcolmTucker]

Really seeing some creative takes really intent to discredit the eork I've put into the gamr

Have you considered that not everyone is solely making reads based on your gameplay or your opinions, and that acknowledging this is probably of relative importance to discovering who is mafia? We disagree, that's fine, you are entitled to convince me but I think there's a decent chance NK15 is mafia, their progression of reads on HEM was incredibly suspect and very opportunistic.

[MalcolmTucker]

Can someone tell me where to vote for now? I’m so far behind and I’m going to need to invest some time into actually reading. I trust Kitty’s accuracy somewhat so if they’re Town here, I’ll give them my vote.

For what it's worth I don't particularly trust Kitty at the moment, think there have been subtle potential mafia hints in their play. At the moment it seems likely to be one of NK15/HEM judging by the way it's going barring some major swings. How much are you aware of so far? Guessing you've perhaps been busy but surprised at how quiet you have been.

[MathBlade]

Really seeing some creative takes really intent to discredit the eork I've put into the gamr

Have you considered that not everyone is solely making reads based on your gameplay or your opinions, and that acknowledging this is probably of relative importance to discovering who is mafia? We disagree, that's fine, you are entitled to convince me but I think there's a decent chance NK15 is mafia, their progression of reads on HEM was incredibly suspect and very opportunistic.

This. 100% this.

I think NK15/HEM contains at least one scum so I don’t have to have MY wagon to hit a scum.

If NK15 flips town then we’ve got scum in the hyperposters and gives me a clue reads are wrong.
If NK15 flips scum then likely hyperposters are all town and just need help talking.

So while it’s not my hero wagon I think it’s the best wagon for finding scum and I TR the participants so I think this is good.

[Not Known 15]

VOTE: NK15

Does anyone TR NK15? If so why?

I have seen a lot of wanting NK15 but not actually voting NK15 which is a sign of a wagon on scum.

How do you look at the latest string of posts from him and think hes wolfy

Because he’s pushing on Gamma/FL slot which is obvTown imho. You really seem to be in a conf bias tunnel.

Yes you’ve been working a lot but it’s more screaming and shouting down those who don’t agree.

I townread everyone on the wagon. Works for me.

And FL is obvtown for which reasons, MathBlade?

[MathBlade]

VOTE: NK15

Does anyone TR NK15? If so why?

I have seen a lot of wanting NK15 but not actually voting NK15 which is a sign of a wagon on scum.

How do you look at the latest string of posts from him and think hes wolfy

Because he’s pushing on Gamma/FL slot which is obvTown imho. You really seem to be in a conf bias tunnel.

Yes you’ve been working a lot but it’s more screaming and shouting down those who don’t agree.

I townread everyone on the wagon. Works for me.

And FL is obvtown for which reasons, MathBlade?

Knowing him for about 5 years and his different meta.
Gamma actually posted. He lurks a lot as scum.

[Not Known 15]

VOTE: NK15

Does anyone TR NK15? If so why?

I have seen a lot of wanting NK15 but not actually voting NK15 which is a sign of a wagon on scum.

How do you look at the latest string of posts from him and think hes wolfy

Because he’s pushing on Gamma/FL slot which is obvTown imho. You really seem to be in a conf bias tunnel.

Yes you’ve been working a lot but it’s more screaming and shouting down those who don’t agree.

I townread everyone on the wagon. Works for me.

And FL is obvtown for which reasons, MathBlade?

Knowing him for about 5 years and his different meta.
Gamma actually posted. He lurks a lot as scum.

The last one is definitively not obvtown material, it's just one string of posts.
About FL meta... what's different, here, from fl's scum meta?

[koopashell]

Really seeing some creative takes really intent to discredit the eork I've put into the gamr

Have you considered that not everyone is solely making reads based on your gameplay or your opinions, and that acknowledging this is probably of relative importance to discovering who is mafia? We disagree, that's fine, you are entitled to convince me but I think there's a decent chance NK15 is mafia, their progression of reads on HEM was incredibly suspect and very opportunistic.

This. 100% this.

I think NK15/HEM contains at least one scum so I don’t have to have MY wagon to hit a scum.

If NK15 flips town then we’ve got scum in the hyperposters and gives me a clue reads are wrong.
If NK15 flips scum then likely hyperposters are all town and just need help talking.

So while it’s not my hero wagon I think it’s the best wagon for finding scum and I TR the participants so I think this is good.

Towncase FL.