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[Scorpious]

I can’t get myself to believe both claims.

And both have reasons for me to doubt either.. but I do think one of you is lying. GTH I would say Koopa.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I can’t get myself to believe both claims.

why?

[JacksonVirgo]

Scorp did you ever respond to my post trying to convince ya?

Negative, I never even found the time to get a good read in last night. Then I got very frustrated seeing how far behind I fell for sleeping and coming to work.

Let’s call you Orange in my eyes right now, there are a a few I’d prefer over you atm. Kitty, and Koopa to be specific.

No issues, I don't think you'd be able to get a wagon on me anyway (not a jab) so probably don't waste mental energy on it for day 1. Kitty and you have similar mindsets regarding me, does that affect your read on kitty at all? Considering I am a PR claimant that majority have come to town-block

No offense taken..

And honestly, no.. but, because I’m not sure about you yet..

Do you think a scum would have a similar mindset as you which is against the general town's status quo? I believe scum try and elim the easier pile of eliminations rather than push a nigh impossibility.

[JacksonVirgo]

I can’t get myself to believe both claims.

And both have reasons for me to doubt either.. but I do think one of you is lying. GTH I would say Koopa.

You don't think a Gunsmith and an undisclosed backup role which is a false-guilty to a gunsmith fits? That's like the most perfect fit of roles that could ever happen.

[JacksonVirgo]

If you think there's something off about the match of the claims, it would be me that's scum. As I made a claim that fits with theirs strongly. Now that I think about this, I am now just confident that koopa is the type of Town to be manipulative in nature and I think they're again back on my top towns, just not a currently effective one.

[Not Known 15]

If you think there's something off about the match of the claims, it would be me that's scum. As I made a claim that fits with theirs strongly. Now that I think about this, I am now just confident that koopa is the type of Town to be manipulative in nature and I think they're again back on my top towns, just not a currently effective one.

Er, careful. The role you claimed also fits to a mafia Gunsmith.

[JacksonVirgo]

If you think there's something off about the match of the claims, it would be me that's scum. As I made a claim that fits with theirs strongly. Now that I think about this, I am now just confident that koopa is the type of Town to be manipulative in nature and I think they're again back on my top towns, just not a currently effective one.

Er, careful. The role you claimed also fits to a mafia Gunsmith.

It does, but only if my base role exists. If it does, if I die you'll know the role and koopa is just scum. Don't wanna speak much because the pool of my roles is quite small and I don't wanna leak the role if it does exist.

[Scorpious]

I can’t get myself to believe both claims.

why?

Because if they both are telling the truth, as I said before . This game is essentially over with the potential scum team that exist. There is skill in this game. Not the game to be outing town PR’s on D1.

Jackson would know that I think more than Koopa if this is in fact only his second game.

[JacksonVirgo]

I can’t get myself to believe both claims.

why?

Because if they both are telling the truth, as I said before . This game is essentially over with the potential scum team that exist. There is skill in this game. Not the game to be outing town PR’s on D1.

Jackson would know that I think more than Koopa if this is in fact only his second game.

How is the game essentially over if we're both Town telling the truth? There is still 8 town and 3 mafia that is unaccounted for in terms of claims. Who's second game are you referring to? If it's mine, it is by far not my second game.

[Not Known 15]

I think this discussion can be relegated until a massclaim or another pr claim comes forward.

[JacksonVirgo]

I think this discussion can be relegated until a massclaim or another pr claim comes forward.

Indeed

[Scorpious]

Koopa said this is his second game on site..

I’m a huge opponent of town claiming D1, especially with minimal pressure. like I said I wasn’t crazy how you did it either..

But we’re going in circles now..

[Scorpious]

You’ve both removed the ability for someone to CC as well.. There is also that..

Your claim can’t be countered cause it’s vague
Koopa’s can’t be CC’d because if they are lying the “real” GS will not put themselves.(hopefully)

[JacksonVirgo]

Millers claim day 1. I suspect I am such role. I then claimed. Wasn't to do with wagon pressure.
We can solve me further later assuming I don't die.

I think both Scorp and Kitty are out of the wagon choices for today. Scorp if you had to pick someone outside of ur three suspicions (me, kit, poopa) who would it be.

[Not Known 15]

Gamma, Italian, Andres and NK.

All of which are in the PoE. I took Italiano out of the question temporarily. This is the pure PoE if all my reads up until this point are correct, which I do not believe is the case anymore. NK red leads to Koopa red which leads to Andres green. Not sure where I'd go from that point but in that case the remaining is currently in my brain as Gamma/Italian.

Italian. Why do you think that Italian might be scum(not that I disagree)

[JacksonVirgo]

You’ve both removed the ability for someone to CC as well.. There is also that..

Your claim can’t be countered cause it’s vague
Koopa’s can’t be CC’d because if they are lying the “real” GS will not put themselves.(hopefully)

Gamma, Italian, Andres and NK.

All of which are in the PoE. I took Italiano out of the question temporarily. This is the pure PoE if all my reads up until this point are correct, which I do not believe is the case anymore. NK red leads to Koopa red which leads to Andres green. Not sure where I'd go from that point but in that case the remaining is currently in my brain as Gamma/Italian.

Italian. Why do you think that Italian might be scum(not that I disagree)

Just in my PoE and the way things are sliding I don't see much else to for with the information I've currently got. Same with Math (I said gamma I meant math but I've said this).

[koopashell]

I think an NK red flip leads fairly nicely to a koopa red.

Damn. Shame reality won't agre.

Just slipped them as scum? Nice

How so?

Half jab at how you just label everything as a slip and half serious where I am not sure if town!you would just assume NK is scum here and that my read is wrong rather than NK isn't scum as you're bouncing off of them a lot and just used them as a consolidation to get the day over.

Seems a bit off considering your mindset up until now.

The easier theory is that I strongly believe NK15 is town and I have worry that no one will listen to my other reads after he flips green
If he flips red here? Well played. He fooled me - but i doubt it because of how he approaches the game. I understand it is hard to agree with NK15's methodology - but it is a transparent one.

I used to be the person to say "oh fuck it let them mislim and see I was right"
But that just led to me getting killed night 1 and people completely ignoring what I had to say.

I'm only willing to go HEM or Gamma here today -
I feel HEM is caught being stuck with reads such as still maintaining the mala one - as well as shading both me and FL slot, and I feel the FL one is for distancing as he did not interact with my case at all.
Both FL and I are very blatantly not paired with eachother.

I am also frustrated at you finding my strengthened townread on you to be suspicious when you yourself pushed me to read your meta as if you felt it was obvious when you are a wolf - so there's that

[koopashell]

I believe also - objectively - that my flip to push NK15 after the Mala read flip objectively disqualifies me as partnered in any world since it was a vaccum of "obvious pushes"- but I'm biased obviously

[JacksonVirgo]

I am also frustrated at you finding my strengthened townread on you to be suspicious when you yourself pushed me to read your meta as if you felt it was obvious when you are a wolf - so there's that

I wouldn't have an issue with it if it was believable.

1. Your meta-dive on me was concluded in you being more confident I was scum.
2. I couldn't find a post where you described what about that post you referred to made me lock-town. Or at least with details enough to make me lock-town rather than just continuing a strong town read on me like before.

[Scorpious]

Millers claim day 1. I suspect I am such role. I then claimed. Wasn't to do with wagon pressure.
We can solve me further later assuming I don't die.

I think both Scorp and Kitty are out of the wagon choices for today. Scorp if you had to pick someone outside of ur three suspicions (me, kit, poopa) who would it be.

Math

[koopashell]

I am also frustrated at you finding my strengthened townread on you to be suspicious when you yourself pushed me to read your meta as if you felt it was obvious when you are a wolf - so there's that

I wouldn't have an issue with it if it was believable.

1. Your meta-dive on me was concluded in you being more confident I was scum.
2. I couldn't find a post where you described what about that post you referred to made me lock-town. Or at least with details enough to make me lock-town rather than just continuing a strong town read on me like before.

Ok I guess I'll come clean - I was tunneled and I lied about really meta diving you and skimmed your list of threads and chose the first mafia chat I could find

[JacksonVirgo]

I am also frustrated at you finding my strengthened townread on you to be suspicious when you yourself pushed me to read your meta as if you felt it was obvious when you are a wolf - so there's that

I wouldn't have an issue with it if it was believable.

1. Your meta-dive on me was concluded in you being more confident I was scum.
2. I couldn't find a post where you described what about that post you referred to made me lock-town. Or at least with details enough to make me lock-town rather than just continuing a strong town read on me like before.

Ok I guess I'll come clean - I was tunneled and I lied about really meta diving you and skimmed your list of threads and chose the first mafia chat I could find

I know.

[Scorpious]

Just saying…

Lim all liars used to be a thing..

[koopashell]

I'm easy to untunnel when I see direct evidence that disproves my position - as evidenced by how I flipped on your slot and Mala's.
If NK15 flips today - and it is green - can you honor my legacy of one of HEM or FL/Gamma Day 2?
Personally - I'm handing off pushing FL slot to Roden here - I don't want to do all this work and it ends up I'm getting used.

My top preference is HEM here - and I feel most have that piece too, just are distracted by playstyle clash reads.

[koopashell]

Just saying…

Lim all liars used to be a thing..

Why are you instigating?