Micro 1052: Lake Melancholy [END]

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Jerome's Journal: An Encyclopedia of Cryptids and Other Mythical Creatures

Prism [3]:

VP Baltar, Aristeia, Dwlee99

VP Baltar [2]:

fireisredsir, Prism,

Dwlee99 [1]:

Enchant,

Datisi [1]:

Skitter30

fireisredsir [1]:

Datisi

Not Voting [1]:

Shuichi Saihara,

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Day 1

ends in

(expired on 2022-04-22 20:00:00)

on

April 22nd

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Mod Notes:

Skitter30 is V/LA on Friday/Saturday.

[Dwlee99]

I really don't think it's guaranteed one of them is scum

i know you said you don't really have scumreads rn but can you at least think about who it would be if it isn't either of them

because from my pov if it isn't either of them its like almost definitely you lol

and it might be even if it is one of them

Idk Enchant/Ceph/You?

[Dwlee99]

You see the issue though right like we have these consensus townreads on a bunch of people and if those are wrong we are just going to hard lose

[fireisredsir]

You see the issue though right like we have these consensus townreads on a bunch of people and if those are wrong we are just going to hard lose

yea but if they're right then scum need to try to tear them down or they will hard lose

[Dwlee99]

But they're more likely to be wrong than right, right?

[fireisredsir]

why

[Dwlee99]

Probability?

[Aristeia]

Ceph/Prism is a viable team

[VP Baltar]

I think the easiest way for me to document my Datisi read progression without creating a mind numbing wall is to probably go day-by-day since this game started and pull some posts trying to recall my internal reactions to them. Due to not being able to quote the hood thread, I'll do my best to paraphrase here. I considered running a parallel post in the hood, but that honestly seems like it might be a lot of work to do and for Datisi to follow.

Ok, so here we go:

Day 1 - April 13:

Read Status:

High alert skeptic

Spoiler:

Day opens with both Datisi and I kind of poking at each other in the hood that the other is scum. I mention that I'd prefer the hood not to become a toxic distraction like the game I just finished with Nero. Datisi says he wants to do mod meta and then later comes back, saying he plans to treat the hood like a masonry for now. I kind of like this because that last hood was truly exhausting for me. Datisi obviously knows this though, so not really any town points, but I'm keeping an eye on how this develops.

Meanwhile, in the game thread, Datisi first hones in on this, which doesn't strike me as a particularly amazing point and I bring this up in thread at some point I believe.

Shockingly that is actually +town for Enchant because he's not reading the fake PM as scum lmao

i don't get this read bc the sample role pm is unspoiled in the ruleset, i don't know if prism really thinks that scum!enchant isn't gonna like, accidentally glance over it and see that the colour of the role is different than usual

We talk about this read in the hood and some of the stuff Datisi says he doesn't want to post in main because prism is going to like jump all over it and it's half baked. That strikes me a little weird, so I ask Datisi if he's afraid of Prism. He gives a satisfactory enough answer on thought process I let it go as within town range.

Day 2 - April 14:

Read Status:

High alert skeptic

Spoiler:

Datisi opens the day with the whole skitter attack, which does sort of feel like nit picking, but also I am fine with skitter getting pressured here. Internally, I am thinking I should probably watch how this develops to see if Datisi is being usual paranoid or making mountains out of molehills.

assuming the words "dats" and "like" are supposed to be switched around, (1) why do you choose this to say now? (2) why?

Usually in the beginning of games i try to say whatever comes to mind, however slight - doing so tends to generate content, which is nice early on

(You know this ...)

For your second question - i was questioning why my scumpings were 'bad and wrong', i'm not sure what you're objecting to

the "why do you say this now" means "why do you choose to say you dislike my post not right when voting me, but after you have made like 20 filler post in between"

and you still haven't answered what about my post you didn't like (and which one, i made multiple)

re second question: were you expecting anything other than "i'm town"??? like, you said you had "scumpings", you did not explain them at all, the person you're scumpinging told you you're wrong, and *you* are the one asking *them* why you are wrong... like that's not how that's supposed to work i think? you don't get to give zero explanation then ask someone why your thoughts are wrong.

again, what were you expecting from them there?

In the hood, Datisi starts pushing on me to explain why I went after skitter so aggressively at the start of the game. This strikes me as a possible good sign from Datisi, since I was indeed intentionally being aggressive in those interactions. Obviously I think his "Skitt/VPB" theater life read is ridiculous, but tinfoil is good to see from datisi.

We actually get a little scrappy with each other in the hood as I explain. Datisi then presses me hard to give a read of him at that point...which internally I don't love because I feel like he is trying to pump me for information that would help him play against my feelings in the hood. I tell him honestly that I don't have a good read of him at that point and I'm paranoid.

Datisi is pushing skitter in thread, so I decide to try a new tactic to get in Datisi's head: I ask datisi if I'm being unreasonable pushing skitter like I am. My thought here is to see how Datisi interprets some aggressive gameplay, even as he is doing the same. Datisi says he can't really even follow what skitt and I are talking about...so much for that idea.

Day 3 - April 15, morning:

Read Status:

Is there a level above high alert skeptic?

Spoiler:

Datisi is back arguing with Prism and skitter about what seem like a bit of minutiae, but also the whole game kind of feels like this at this point for me.

Just such an arbitrary push to me

it wasn't arbitrary to me. town!skitter pokes at anything that is of interest to her in the early game. scum!skitter hates her life. so one way of finding out which one i am dealing with is trying to see whether her pokes actually make sense and have solving intention behind them or whether they're there because they have to be there. and if i see her "poking" at something that really looks like a nonsense dead end, i'm gonna call it out because that would fit the image of scum!skitter more than town!skitter.

i feel like i have pushed at more miniscule things in my mafia career, but i don't know off the top of my head whether you've SEEN me do that, so i'll chill for now but

this game feels like mud currently in that i want to cool off from my skitter read but i'm not picking up strong scumreads elsewhere but also nobody is actually a strong townread either and fuck this game

i will attempt to get a better foothold in this game and figure out at least vaguely what is happening throughout this irl day

I catch up with Datisi in the hood that I reread his interactions with Prism (I had promised I would), but that I came away feeling slightly TvT in the fight maybe, but it also seemed to be within both of their scum ranges probably...so it didn't really move the needle for me like I had hoped.

Datisi presses me to explain my thought process. I say I think Prism is correct in calling Datisi's points nitpicking, but also I think that nitpiking and tinfoiling CAN point to town Datisi.

Datisi presses me further that if I think nitpicking is town indicative for him, why didn't I say that in thread to Prism...which I kind of hate at the time. I tell Datisi it feels to me like he wants me to stan for him in thread, which is not my fucking job to do. I tell Datisi in post 124 (for hood members reference) That i don't love this. My suspicion hackles are back up. GREAT.

I tell Datisi it feels to me like he is bullying me to hard town read him on the nitpicking paranoia thing I just mentioned could be town, and I hate that. It feels like I'm being coerced. THIS IS ALL BEFORE 730 AM MY TIME.

This ends up being a fairly aggressive fight. Which in hindsight, is maybe good? I'm not sure scum!datisi wants to get into it with me that aggressively on D1.

Day 3 - April 15, still morning but later:

Read Status:

Downgrading to Defcon 2

Spoiler:

This is really where my read starts to turn on Datisi. After that big fight, I wanted a reset and to try again seeing if I could get inside Datisi's head. I decided to ask Datisi his read on Dwlee because they were a topic of discussion in the main thread at the time and I couldn't recall Datisi expressing a lot of opinion there.

Datisi reads their ISO, and we talk a little bit about Fire's point on Dwlee (the random posts selected), and how we both felt about it. I town read Dwlee's intentions out of that post, while Datisi seemed to side more with fire.

But what stands out to me here is we start having a pretty nuanced exchange about each others' interpretations of this event. Datisi presses me to explain things. I press him. It's a very transparent type of interaction where it feels to me like Datisi is putting the walls down a little bit. That's a big pivot from the shit fight just earlier in the day, and technically "inconsistent" with how we were just going at it. In my head, I'm thinking scum!Datisi would maybe be more guarded with me thinking he needed to maintain that consistency. He could be intentionally trying to pacify me here, but that's not the vibe I got at the time, or even now rereading it with some distance.

I can feel myself weakening to Datisi's charms, so I post in the hood that he better be town and sad face it. I can't live with myself if I get duped by Datisi.

Datisi reassures me and kind of reads my mind, saying he doesn't think mania like this from him is within his scum range. This is +town since I was thinking it, but hadn't expressed it recently.

Day 3 - April 15, afternoon:

Read Status:

Shit is Datisi really town here?

Spoiler:

Datisi asks me for a quick reads list, which I provide.

I have prism much more town that Datisi right here, who has had the "lawyery" points debate with Prism. Datisi asks me if his prism read is crazy...which again doesn't seem like something scum!datisi necessarily does here. It's another walls down moment. I say I agree with Datisi that Prism is being pedantic, but she could still be town doing that.

Datisi and I kind of enter a freewheeling talk phase now I would say. We are just posting unguarded points to each other in the hood and talking through how we each feel about them. We are talking about Ari, fire, skitter.

There is one point where I question Datisi about a point he is arguing with skitter over, and that's the "skitter bus early to win" argument. I point out that Datisi has either intentionally or unintentionally misread skitter.. and Datisi kind of admits this. This throws me for a loop for minute because I possibly caught Datisi in a misrep, but ultimately I'm reassured because he just kind of owns it and says "I fucked up" rather than trying to talk through it or semantics argue it with me.

Day 4 - April 16:

Read Status:

Datisi is an Easter bunny

Spoiler:

Nothing much happens this day and I wasn't around much.

Day 5 - April 17:

Read Status:

Ok, I feel pretty comfortable this is town!isti

Spoiler:

Datisi states in thread he's townreading Dwlee because of their Enchant push, and this is like mindmeld with me. I was reading the same thing and thinking to myself "Does Dwlee!scum really push LHF here? That is surely going to backfire."

Datisi coming to this conclusion independently is like a bright ray of sunshine. We talk about this in the hood.

Then Datisi starts dumping a bunch of Flavor mod meta in the thread. And it is very thorough and tinfoily about this being a near duplicate setup. This also is a good reminder that Datisi is doing all this work and Ari is giving Suichi credit in thread for outting the hood to point the similarity of the setup. We wouldn't really know any of that without Datisi, so...

Anyway, by this point I feel very comfortable being open with Datisi in the hood, regardless of whether he still has any paranoia for me or not.

Ok, I think I'm going to stop there because this as very time intensive and I have things I should be doing.

[VP Baltar]

apologies for any typos. I didn't proof read any of this. If something doesn't makes sense, ask and I'll try to interpret my own scrawl.

[Enchant]

Weird flex but ok

[VP Baltar]

Weird flex but ok

Huh?

[Datisi]

i didn't read any of that but the colours are pretty so baltar can be town

[Shuichi Saihara]

i know you're joking datisi but i hate you a little for posting that

[Datisi]

i didn't read any of that but the colours are pretty so baltar can be town

ok this was a shitpost
then i realized that the only instance of baltar using colours that i can think of came from when he was town
so i ran a check on a couple of his recent isos
unfortunately i have not found enough colour usage for it to be a statistically significant tell

so nvm 1937 remains a shitpost

[Aristeia]

I guess I just need to use pretty colors

[Datisi]

okay, that post more or less checks out

i say more or less because there have been a few instances that vp has expressed paranoia of me in the hood after that post he called the bright ray of sunshine and the exchange afterwards

so i would like those addressed or explained

[Aristeia]

it is a cute post

I read it all three times because I love reading about Datisi

Jealousy level at 2000

[Datisi]

my dumbass fucking brain is unironically townreading the usage of color tags my god

[Aristeia]

would scum baltar call you an easter bunny?

my god

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: for dats

[VP Baltar]

okay, that post more or less checks out

i say more or less because there have been a few instances that vp has expressed paranoia of me in the hood after that post he called the bright ray of sunshine and the exchange afterwards

so i would like those addressed or explained

I was born at night, but not last night!

If you say weird things, it's going to make me paranoid so I ask about them. Me locking you as town has the potential to create blindspots, so I have to make sure I'm being honest with myself when something strikes me weird

[Datisi]

did you check in which instances you were suspicious of me before answering that question?

[Aristeia]

there's no way he did

[VP Baltar]

did you check in which instances you were suspicious of me before answering that question?

No. Seems irrelevant to the question when I know why I generally am asking questions.