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[Not Known 15]

He has a weird playstyle. That doesn't make him wolf.

Case closed. When he was pushed he kept posting normally. He did not shrink back. Like come the fuck on guys - this is so lazy. NK15 plays different so he is easy to eliminate - his wolf games are very subdued and he is not subdued here.

How come this applies to NK15 but not FL?

I dont wolfread FL for playstyle.

It really seems like you do! You’re calling him a wolf for not explaining his Roden take, when it’s been established he doesn’t do that as town.

Wait, he doesn't do that as town? You mean he doesn't do that as scum, right?

[koopashell]

One thing I will now explain about my play now that I can sit down and post this:
Some pushes I will make to eliminate possibilities. Rather than miseliminate - I will push someone I think has potential to towntell under pressure - such as Mala. Such as Flavor Leaf. Etc.
I will pursue wild theories sometimes to see reactions.
I am doing this with the intent of narrowing possible worlds. Rather than push a miselimination and require a flip to do this, I deduce it via social interaction. See what I did there
I think many down the line miseliminations can be prevented this way- such as JV, who might have potentially entered a gamestate where they looked bad off recent stuff but since they established themselves town on day 1 it helps prevent it.
Day 1 should be a "brainstorm for wolf team" day - where theories go out and go wild.
I also believe in being generous with townreads on players who are actively pushing solvy content on day 1 - if they are wolves, they are high spew targets.

I'd like to hear more from Roden Kitty and Mala regarding their overall view of the game at some point soon.

I would again be okay if you didn't, once again, contradict yourself from past conversations. You did not push me to prevent a mis-elimination on me, you said yourself that you were tunnelled on me. You wouldn't have said that, nor say that you faked a meta-dive on me without explaining that you did so to try and gauge me not push me for an elimination.

That obviously wasnt the initial intent.
I think you and I disagree on semantics - though yes you are correct - my initial push was with the belief I would find you a wolf.
I'm obviously not some god tier player who does all this fancy stuff - but I recognize the side effects of such play for the gamestate.

My thought process:
JV said some weird stuff about my wolfread
JV is potential wolf, let me tunnel them and see what happens
JV reacted badly I'm sure they are wolf here
JV seems to be trying to wriggle out of the situation, let me bluff something
Oh no JV is calling my bluff let me continue this though
Into
On reevaluation, JV doesnt seem so bad, let me just PoE them and revisit later
The claim seems very genuine and real, perhaps I was tunneled .
Etc.

A short layout of how I remember processing you during my push

[koopashell]

You, in one shot, just removed all the pressure you would ever make with your slot as well. Nicely done

I'm tired of these kinds of statements directed towards me.
Just stop dancing around it and call me a shit garbage player if thats what you mean.

[koopashell]

hey i'm really swamped

let's not rush an elim.

Andres you can catch up, we have time.

game-advancing content: Mala avoided our engagement, and didn't answer my question about their FL townread satisfactory. This is scum, and I don't know what happened that I'm the only one in here.

bite me

a lot of it is tone + gut + knowing FL iRL

so I'm really sorry that it's not satisfactory to you, but it's good enough for me to go on with D1.

okay. now show us.

Btw I’ve seen Mala posting like this as town before, partly my fault in that past case but nevertheless this detachment from her at least is within her town range

So whats your take on her alignment then

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: HEM
I believe i was already here but I want this if I can't have FL.

FL replaced out..

Most likely because of you..

Yeah, let’s note koopa refuses to refer to me by name. Seems a bit fucked up, no?

I am referring to FL because they are reasons pertaining to FL - you can try to explain what you think progression wise he was thinking but I'm not going to label things he said as things you did. If you havent noticed I've referenced you when speaking of your slot in general
Why do you have concern for this though?

It feels vaguely like you’re trying to avoid actually being impartial by focusing on the player whose impression has been made rather than opening up your mind to the new person.

It also just seems, I dunno, a little fucked up on a human level? There’s a comparison I could make but in the interest of not making an ass of myself I’ll leave that door shut. But I have little tolerance for the type of behavior I feel like you’re potentially practicing.

[JacksonVirgo]

You, in one shot, just removed all the pressure you would ever make with your slot as well. Nicely done

I'm tired of these kinds of statements directed towards me.
Just stop dancing around it and call me a shit garbage player if thats what you mean.

I do not believe you to be a shit player, I think that you'd usually be decent but this game is kinda scuffed and in extension I believe most to be playing poorly.

[humaneatingmonkey]

we're page 98 in a mini normal how will i ever re-read this shit

[koopashell]

Gamma - your predecessor had several hundred posts. Of course I am going to mainly judge your alignment mainly based on that unless you override that with something significant. So far your play has been somewhat soft to me - safe in a way - that indicates you don't want to shake up anything set up right now

[humaneatingmonkey]

this is why i'm afraid to take my eye out of the game because i might miss a slip i otherwise would have caught

[Gamma Emerald]

He has a weird playstyle. That doesn't make him wolf.

Case closed. When he was pushed he kept posting normally. He did not shrink back. Like come the fuck on guys - this is so lazy. NK15 plays different so he is easy to eliminate - his wolf games are very subdued and he is not subdued here.

How come this applies to NK15 but not FL?

I dont wolfread FL for playstyle.

It really seems like you do! You’re calling him a wolf for not explaining his Roden take, when it’s been established he doesn’t do that as town.

Wait, he doesn't do that as town? You mean he doesn't do that as scum, right?

I said what I fucking meant! MathBlade has been asserting that FL doesn’t provide reasons as town, and while I’m not as sure in that based on direct exp I feel like MathBlade at least knows what he’s talking about.

[koopashell]

we're page 98 in a mini normal how will i ever re-read this shit

That's what ISOs are for.

[koopashell]

The thing is - FL did provide reasons. He just didnt provide receipts for the reasons.

[humaneatingmonkey]

we're page 98 in a mini normal how will i ever re-read this shit

That's what ISOs are for.

this takes context out and inhibits a holistic assessment of the game and promotes a tunnel gameplay that i worked so hard to purge myself off

[humaneatingmonkey]

The thing is - FL did provide reasons. He just didnt provide receipts for the reasons.

and he obfuscates them by revealing more "depth" and "intention" to them later and he reframes conversations at a snap of a finger

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma - your predecessor had several hundred posts. Of course I am going to mainly judge your alignment mainly based on that unless you override that with something significant. So far your play has been somewhat soft to me - safe in a way - that indicates you don't want to shake up anything set up right now

Is this the road you want to go down? I would not in any way call my play here “soft” or “safe”, so wat h your next step carefully. Others have already made note of ways in which my play runs contrary to the box you seem to have planned to put it into.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VC 1.29

With 13 players, it takes 7 to make a decision. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-04-25 00:30:00).

VC

Not Known 15 [4]:

MalcolmTucker [1537], JacksonVirgo [1607], Malakittens [1806], MathBlade [2234]

Scorpious [3]:

KittyTacky [1791], Gamma Emerald [2198], Andresvmb [2233]

humaneatingmonkey [2]:

koopashell [2166], Not Known 15 [2296]

KittyTacky [2]:

ItalianoVD [1867], Scorpious [2390]

Malakittens [1]:

humaneatingmonkey [792]

Not voting [1]:

Roden [2123]

[humaneatingmonkey]

but if you say that an attention-seeking mafia player is poor play, we already know that FL is very skilled. as evidence by how he runs circles on people during 1v1.

[koopashell]

we're page 98 in a mini normal how will i ever re-read this shit

That's what ISOs are for.

this takes context out and inhibits a holistic assessment of the game and promotes a tunnel gameplay that i worked so hard to purge myself off

I've been in games that spawned 2k posts in 48 hours tbh so lowkey used to it

[koopashell]

Gamma - your predecessor had several hundred posts. Of course I am going to mainly judge your alignment mainly based on that unless you override that with something significant. So far your play has been somewhat soft to me - safe in a way - that indicates you don't want to shake up anything set up right now

Is this the road you want to go down? I would not in any way call my play here “soft” or “safe”, so wat h your next step carefully. Others have already made note of ways in which my play runs contrary to the box you seem to have planned to put it into.

How do you feel about Mala and HEM?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, Italian, Andres and NK.

All of which are in the PoE. I took Italiano out of the question temporarily. This is the pure PoE if all my reads up until this point are correct, which I do not believe is the case anymore. NK red leads to Koopa red which leads to Andres green. Not sure where I'd go from that point but in that case the remaining is currently in my brain as Gamma/Italian.

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[JacksonVirgo]

we're page 98 in a mini normal :( how will i ever re-read this shit :(

What's the record?

[JacksonVirgo]

Gamma, Italian, Andres and NK.

All of which are in the PoE. I took Italiano out of the question temporarily. This is the pure PoE if all my reads up until this point are correct, which I do not believe is the case anymore. NK red leads to Koopa red which leads to Andres green. Not sure where I'd go from that point but in that case the remaining is currently in my brain as Gamma/Italian.

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Say something about it. Don't just use an ellipsis, I hate people that post useless messages that pretend to have content.

[Gamma Emerald]

Millers claim day 1. I suspect I am such role. I then claimed. Wasn't to do with wagon pressure.
We can solve me further later assuming I don't die.

I think both Scorp and Kitty are out of the wagon choices for today. Scorp if you had to pick someone outside of ur three suspicions (me, kit, poopa) who would it be.

Target me tonight.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, Italian, Andres and NK.

All of which are in the PoE. I took Italiano out of the question temporarily. This is the pure PoE if all my reads up until this point are correct, which I do not believe is the case anymore. NK red leads to Koopa red which leads to Andres green. Not sure where I'd go from that point but in that case the remaining is currently in my brain as Gamma/Italian.

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Say something about it. Don't just use an ellipsis, I hate people that post useless messages that pretend to have content.

The only person in your PoE I feel like seems has a good chance to be scum is NK15, even correcting my name to Math

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I understand mafia can inherently be a very stressful and emotional game at times, but let's refrain from attacking people's characters. Attack the play, not the player.

Step away from the game thread if you need to.

Thank you!