KTaNE [game over!]

[Cephrir]

i hope mena paid you a retainer

feel like two posts saying maybe we should think about all the possibilities before rushing in is maybe not worthy of these posts but ok

[Menalque]

Once I flip then CSF tomorrow, andante doesn’t get touched the rest of the game, and poooky the day after CSF

[Cephrir]

csf doesn't counterclaim as scum here that's absurd

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i hope mena paid you a retainer

feel like two posts saying maybe we should think about all the possibilities before rushing in is maybe not worthy of these posts but ok

you're only making this worse for yourself

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

csf doesn't counterclaim as scum here that's absurd

mb you should be telling mena how to defend himself in the scum PT instead of here

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I started typing a long ass, kind of tinfoily post about why Misty and Mena are both scum earlier. Let me finish typing it up

[Cephrir]

i hope mena paid you a retainer

feel like two posts saying maybe we should think about all the possibilities before rushing in is maybe not worthy of these posts but ok

you're only making this worse for yourself

you're not going to get me killed this game scumbear

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i hope mena paid you a retainer

feel like two posts saying maybe we should think about all the possibilities before rushing in is maybe not worthy of these posts but ok

you're only making this worse for yourself

you're not going to get me killed this game scumbear

nice omgus didnt see it coming at all

[Menalque]

I’m assuming that scum plan is mislim me, use a NK, kill defuser which gives them 7 going into tomorrow

And then hope that pooky can win in 4p mylo (if he gets off two more kills) or 3p (if they’re low on NKs or there’s another protective somewhere)

[Cephrir]

i hope mena paid you a retainer

feel like two posts saying maybe we should think about all the possibilities before rushing in is maybe not worthy of these posts but ok

you're only making this worse for yourself

you're not going to get me killed this game scumbear

nice omgus didnt see it coming at all

it's not exactly a new concern from me but you can pretend it is if you want

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i hope mena paid you a retainer

feel like two posts saying maybe we should think about all the possibilities before rushing in is maybe not worthy of these posts but ok

you're only making this worse for yourself

you're not going to get me killed this game scumbear

nice omgus didnt see it coming at all

it's not exactly a new concern from me but you can pretend it is if you want

I know you've been coy about it all game that's fine.

[Menalque]

csf doesn't counterclaim as scum here that's absurd

I don’t see how CSF’s claim comes from town

No NK outside of titus

No way scum tried to kill me when I’m this mislimmable

I know I was on andy and Andy makes sense as a NK target due to the PR claim

No reason for scum to try to conserve NKs (that we know they have) atp due to Baltar being outed and it being unlikely they can get the defuse wincon anymore

[Enchant]

UNVOTE:

CSF, actions?

[Cephrir]

i have to go out and its unfortunate that mena is going to be dead when i get back

maybe pooky can find a way to blame me for his town flip too!

[Cephrir]

idk i was scumreading mena before but i think this is just another episode of the save misty show now

[Menalque]

I will say this — if CSF is town then it’s probably pooky and ceph but game is over if scum just failed to NK and CSF did JK me last night

In any case, highest win% move is to lim CSF after me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its so covenient you scumread mena but when there's an actual chance of the dude dying suddenly you're bending over backwards to make a defense for him

[Menalque]

It would be nice if anyone wanted to, idk, look at my trajectory or play in light of my claim but that would be too much to hope for I guess

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont even know what your defense of mena is atp actually

[Cat Scratch Fever]

While I was rereading last night, I noticed that both VP Baltar and The Praetorian made the same incorrect assumption about the setup.

They both thought that we could nominate the bomb

defuser

during the day.

Spoiler: VP Baltar

wait so we have to lim AND defuse a bomb???? For some reason (read: not reading closely)

I thought the day play was just picking who defused the bomb.

well even if they were mandatory somehow, we'd just intentionally give bad info if we decide we want to fail all bombs by default

oh like use them as a double elim?

Spoiler: The Praetorian

Hi I'm not reading the first 7 pages

nom me for defuser ty

HEAL: the praetorian

also VOTE: catboi

mafia chooses the defuser each night. town votes to nominate the experts. there is no fully functional townkill because even if experts choose to detonate, they are only playing scum's wifom game.

Oh lol

I thought the system was eliminate + nominate defusers

and experts

> Why would they think we could nominate defusers during the day?
A: Initially, there was this incorrectly written rule that was later corrected. Cephrir pointed it out here.

once the execution vote has been hammered and the day is over, twilight starts.

the needed number of players who at that moment have the most nominations will be the night's bomb defusers.

i think this rule is supposed to say experts at the end

<snipped for brevity>

My working theory is that someone on the scumteam read the incorrect rule and was under the assumption that we (the town collective) could nominate defusers during the day. Then, what probably went down in the Scum PT is that they spent the pregame discussing strategies around who they should nominate as the

defuser

during the day.

> Why is this important?

Because MafiaScum's favorite bat (aka Mistyx slot) also made the same mistake.

i understand it's prolly not decided but

are we trying to put town or scum in the

defuser's

seat

catboi had to correct her in 132.

> Is it possible that Morning Tweet/Misty is just town who also misunderstood the rules?

I think it's very unlikely.

- catboi very clearly stated in 35 that scum choose the defusers. MT's first post was after that ---> I think MT came into the game with this preconceived notion that town can nom defusers due to talk in the Scum PT, and her brain automatically filtered out anything that was contrary.

- At best, Morning Tweet was not closely reading the game, which in a vacuum I'd say is lightly scummy.

- Even if the setup is confusing and not every townie understood the entire setup right away, the opening VC makes it very clear that you cannot nominate defusers, only experts.

- MT/Misty ISOs are also just scummy even if you don't think anything I'm writing here makes a lick of sense .

Just for fun, I went through everyone who has flipped town to see if they also explicitly made the same mistake about the setup. None of them did (although some were inconclusive):

• Lukewarm/fireisredsir - 71 (end of first line)
  
• catboi - 21 and again in 35
  
• Frogsterking - somewhat inconclusive, although I'd argue that he also understood how the setup worked from 54
  
• Andresvmb - inconclusive, his first post came way after setup confusion was cleared up
  
• Greeting - very top of 85 (in the bolded text)
  
• StrangeMatter - 55
  
• I can also add Titus to this list now - 36

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btw, Menalque's opening post was:

i have a plan where we dont let any1 defuse any bombs because defusing bombs is boring

pooky obviously scum

also I wanna be bomb defuser

I originally wrote some stuff here where I wanted to lim Misty then Mena. But now I don't care, both can go

[Mistyx]

I'd agree with the "not having time" excuse seeming odd.. I saw no situation in which we should've kept Titus alive.. like what, keep her here just to yeet her today?? it's very odd for scum to just give us Titus like that, means the poe that's mostly agreed upon is likely wrong.. but I'm down with yeeting Mistyx today, also,

Titus was very confident on Mistyx maf

VOTE: Mistyx

this is so incredibly far from true

titus wanted me dead for VCA that was all

Hey... welcome to the pt last night... I am only maf if you are, and titus is 99% sure you are maf!!!

But I also just SR you in general so like it works,

like, town should think about this. maf threw titus in bomb pt cause scum know titus would go boom. why not giive us mistyx? scum was just going for a boom, and we all KNOW mist would go boom, but instead mist has been SRed all game and hasn't been defuser once, I do think this is scum indicative. it would be one think if scum was throwing TRs in to defuse the bomb, but they're not, I think scum is literally confirming Mistyx to be maf based on their defuser choices

yeah bc titus is hard to kill at day and i am incredibly easy to kill during the day

like read vp's iso he kept trying to deflect attention at me because i'm easy to kill

[Menalque]

Don’t think there’s really any way for me to jolt people into doing that without screaming at them, which I’m not willing to do so I guess just — work on your confbias in future games if you lim me today without looking back at my trajectory over the game

[Cat Scratch Fever]

tl;dr just lim Mena and Misty thanks

[Menalque]

Can people at least confirm that after I flip town, CSF goes tomorrow?

Unless someone wants to try and argue how CSF claiming to JK me fits with my (confirmed true post-flip) claim of being on Andy, and how that couples with no NK last night

[Cat Scratch Fever]

In what world was GuiltyLion getting NK'd N1