KTaNE [game over!]

[Andante]

can we just lim misty and let the prot claims sort themselves out tonight? like, we all agree Misty is maf, so we just lim misty. that easy

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Can people at least confirm that after I flip town, CSF goes tomorrow?

Unless someone wants to try and argue how CSF claiming to JK me fits with my (confirmed true post-flip) claim of being on Andy, and how that couples with no NK last night

Because scum probably didn't have an NK last night?

[Mistyx]

VOTE: CSF

comparing role power think this is more likely a hit

[Mistyx]

can we just lim misty and let the prot claims sort themselves out tonight? like, we all agree Misty is maf, so we just lim misty. that easy

this is generally a sign that this is what scum want

[Menalque]

Who did you think was an obvious N1 kill who wasn’t defuser?

At the time I was unsure if the game was stacked with protectives or not, so I chose not to target Andres because I was having doubts about if he was real after the fire!flip

So I decided to sit on someone I thought was town, and who I believed I’d be able to synergise well with later in the game, and who would always be a solid N1 kill for scum if town

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Q: what is the scum team doing with their no kill thingy. I can’t keep track or make every variation of possibilities.

yes exactly!

where are the freaking kills.

this only reinforced my suspicion this morning that something we are not seeing is happening here. I've been saying it all game, but we are so focused on the night game, we are not thinking about day play here. I'm looking at people I see who are scummy and it's not matching up with what is happening at nights. That's a huge red flag that I'm concerned about.

VPB kind of let slip that there are 2 missing NKs

Which means that scum has likely used up 3 NKs by day 5

So the only way that scum had a kill last night is if GuiltyLion is scum AND they chose to use the NK from GL's defuse last night

[Menalque]

can we just lim misty and let the prot claims sort themselves out tonight? like, we all agree Misty is maf, so we just lim misty. that easy

How do the protectiveclaims sort themselves?

Misty could be scum, but atp it should be basically confirmed that there’s scum in (me, CSF)

That’s a better % chance of hitting than flipping misty which is (2/9)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its actually (1/7)

[Mistyx]

it's actually 0/1

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im saying from a neutral pov outside the game

[Menalque]

I need to go back and count but p sure scum should have had 4 NKs throughout the game either way — either 1 from start, 2 from baltar, 1 from GL or 1 from two town defuses, no?

By the time that VPB posted that he knew he was likely going down, so I’m not putting a lot of stock in it as an actual slip, because I think scum were going for the 4 defuse wincon or at least leaving that open, which probably meant conserving some of the NKs from earlier on

[Cat Scratch Fever]

GL is the only unresolved defuse, we definitely don't have two town defuses

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

there's literally no incentive for scum to be using their nightkills before VPB flips because if their nightkills go thru it literally outs VPB as a scumbag

[Menalque]

Oh, actually pooky is right, yeah

It’s (1/2) to flip in me/CSF
It’s (1/7) to flip misty

For any town player considering where to flip today

Unless, again, anyone has a good explanation for how CSF can be town with me and I don’t think there is one — the “scum we’re out of NKs” argument doesn’t add up for me with Baltar having defused twice already, where if scum had kept killing it would have been obvious very fast what was going on, and I think Baltar obviously didn’t want to die (based on play) instead of not caring (if it was just a matter of grab as many NKs from the defuses as possible)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and everything VPB said is probably just random ass anti-spew - dude knew he was on a limited timeline

[Menalque]

Ah right, so scum had 3 maybe 4 but probably 3

Hmm

[Menalque]

Why didn’t you claim lazy when you claimed CSF?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I kind of determined at some point that if I were to claim, I would claim full JK to try and bait the NK, but then decided it doesn't matter since scum is likely just you/Misty anyway

But does it even matter fypov? Do you think either full JK or lazy JK can coexist with another protective?

[Menalque]

I mean, obviously I’m thinking about it or I wouldn’t be asking?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

But Titus asked that people suspect Andante for their push against them.

I’m a gated protective, I crumbed it D1 and it’s why I hammered fire so fast (i believed Andres’ claim and didn’t think there’d be a third protective role)

Last night I was on Andy, and I suspect that’s why no night kill outside titus, given that there’s no reason for scum to be saving their NKs with Baltar outed

Also you didn't think there'd be a third protective

But on D2 after fire flipped town, you *still* thought Andres was town???

My current reads (update):

town: Andante, Greeting, Andres, GL, Bell, CSF, Ceph, VP Baltar, enchant

null town: pooky
null for lack of engagement with them: Strange, mala, dwlee

good odds of scum: Titus

scum: misty, frog

***

pedit: appreciate the thought, Andres, but I was an expert last night and am therefore ineligible

[Menalque]

Because if misty is town, then it’s weird for scum you to derail that mislim into me when that then sets you up for dying tomorrow

Oh, but then again, I wonder if your ability to win the 1v1 based on claim becomes much weaker tomorrow because people would ask why you didn’t counterclaim immediately and then I become less viable as a mislim

Whereas misty will always be there with plenty of people wanting to kill her, so maybe it does make sense for scum!you

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I would just not claim JK if I were scum...

[Menalque]

But on D2 after fire flipped town, you *still* thought Andres was town???

That was after everyone in the hood had claimed he was insanely town, and I came round to the “i think dats has stacked the game with protectives for most of town power” way of thinking

[Bell]

Ngl. I’m with ceph and Andante on this due to pure momentum.

[Menalque]

Momentum is not a good thing in and of itself