Mini 2270: Spring Fling!

[Dunnstral]

and if they kill in dunn/bell, then yeah it's probably likely that me/myko die, which like, if that flips town then it immediately makes the town reconsider.

I guess Datisi also said the same thing and you two are in agreement? Not sure why they jumped to that either.

[Ginngie]

Well the whole thing Datisi wrote is lies

One, he calls me subtle. ME

Secondly he’s saying i think the pair is Andante/Datisi which is wrong as well.

The whole thing is completely wrong so i can’t even entertain it

[Datisi]

and if they kill in dunn/bell, then yeah it's probably likely that me/myko die, which like, if that flips town then it immediately makes the town reconsider.

I guess Datisi also said the same thing and you two are in agreement? Not sure why they jumped to that either.

i mean, i was asked to do backwards logic on something that i never do. if going by general reads of the game, then me and myko are the two most likely to die there. i will admit that i did not go back to check on who had what individual reads, like i know that's probably more important considering the decisions are singularly made but i am not about to spend time on a point that requires analysis that i was never good at and don't genuinely believe in

[Datisi]

Secondly he’s saying i think the pair is Andante/Datisi which is wrong as well.

so you did not actually read anything what i was saying and want to force the easy flip through. cool.

[Ginngie]

Secondly he’s saying i think the pair is Andante/Datisi which is wrong as well.

so you did not actually read anything what i was saying and want to force the easy flip through. cool.

[Cephrir]

How does a no kill protect Mykonian? Bell has shown no special interest in getting rid of Mykonian. In contrast, they have shown an interest in getting rid of Datisi, so killing me should be pretty safe for Mykonian. That point is moot if Datisi is scum, I guess, but it still means that Mykonian is not in any particular danger.

My thought was that bell, being obvtown, is one of the people you'd expect scum to want to kill

[Ginngie]

I just think it makes too much sense that both Datisi and Myko got paired with two highly townread players vs everyone else being scummy pairs. Like in reality, if those two don’t kill their own partners, that means that they had to kill a slot people weren’t sure about, and also, I’m betting on the fact that that solo townie will look at the 3 remaining pairs and think, well I’d rather partner with Dunn/Bell and elim Datisi/Myko, with about a 1/3 chance they actually swap in the final T/T pair.

That’s way too risky so just no kill because it’s safer to push two scummy players AND, because of your partners towncred, people view you, by association, to be town. This one is more just subliminal messaging kinda thing. There’s guilt by association but flip that on it’s head with innocent by association. Like it’s perfect to manipulate town because it protects you through statistics. What’s easier to sell? Convincing someone to vote a obv!town and scummy pair, or a kinda scummy and highly scummy pair. From a single players POV, you’d rather bet on eliminating the two scummy people in the pair because from your POV, you’re more like to actually vote scum out.

[Ginngie]

Also take it as a compliment to you Datisi, i believe you’re smart enough to have figured this out. I think you figured out the conundrum of killing anyone and our agent of chaos Myko was like hey let’s no kill, everyone expects a kill so let’s do something different

[Dunnstral]

I just think it makes too much sense that both Datisi and Myko got paired with two highly townread players vs everyone else being scummy pairs.

I asked to pair with Malakittens, who was mafia, but they wanted to pair with Lukewarm instead.

[Ginngie]

I'm talking about the gamestate during till death due as part, not about in general

[Dunnstral]

How does a no kill protect Mykonian? Bell has shown no special interest in getting rid of Mykonian. In contrast, they have shown an interest in getting rid of Datisi, so killing me should be pretty safe for Mykonian. That point is moot if Datisi is scum, I guess, but it still means that Mykonian is not in any particular danger.

My thought was that bell, being obvtown, is one of the people you'd expect scum to want to kill

I think that it can be inferred from my posting that I was likely to have paired with Mykonian if Bell died. But who knows.

[Ginngie]

How does a no kill protect Mykonian? Bell has shown no special interest in getting rid of Mykonian. In contrast, they have shown an interest in getting rid of Datisi, so killing me should be pretty safe for Mykonian. That point is moot if Datisi is scum, I guess, but it still means that Mykonian is not in any particular danger.

My thought was that bell, being obvtown, is one of the people you'd expect scum to want to kill

I think that it can be inferred from my posting that I was likely to have paired with Mykonian if Bell died. But who knows.

Okay this doesn't benefit scumteam Datisi/Myko tho. They wouldn't want to be in a situation where they have to elim each other.

[mykonian]

I doubt it, she'll vote the right one at the end.

You know, what if Datisi isn't scum. It's easy enough to go along as long as he isn't here, but imagine he isn't. There's still a bunch of townie looking posts there, and I'm not getting much from meta as of now. Even the mala interaction you see in your PT could be unlucky.

What's going on in this game here then?

don't really love this from myko since it feels more like prompting other people to think about this possibility rather than just his own musings or thoughts on the matter

I did, but if I answer my own question nobody else has to do it anymore. It's not that important anyway.

How does a no kill protect Mykonian? Bell has shown no special interest in getting rid of Mykonian. In contrast, they have shown an interest in getting rid of Datisi, so killing me should be pretty safe for Mykonian. That point is moot if Datisi is scum, I guess, but it still means that Mykonian is not in any particular danger.

Thank you.

This is why I am slightly annoyed people are bringing me up in the same place as Datisi as if the only reason Datisi scum wouldn't kill was because Dunn was so town. ???

If Datisi is scum and he wants to get rid of dunn for the coming days, either he gets eliminated, or he shoots Dunn and then struggles to find a partner because it is a slightly bit obvious when the person hardcore pushing you dies and flips town. If he shoots "anyone" else, the leftover partner sees neon signs all around Dunn asking please to partner with them. And Datisi dies, with Dunn living till tomorrow.

Otoh, if I'm scum and I want to get rid of Bell. I shoot him, and then pair with Dunn because that's all Dunn wants. If anyone else shot Bell, and I wasn't scum, I'd pair with Dunn. It's completely null with regards to me.

i get that you have a pov but why can't the prevailing logic be right to you/why is mykonian not of concern to you at all

So stuff like this is a bit too easy to somehow get me/Bell on a hitlist for a next day.

[mykonian]

Okay this doesn't benefit scumteam Datisi/Myko tho. They wouldn't want to be in a situation where they have to elim each other.

Yes, it's really just Datisi who is stuck because of Dunns play, any partner works with that. Including Cephrir!

[mykonian]

I just think it makes too much sense that both Datisi and Myko got paired with two highly townread players vs everyone else being scummy pairs.

I don't think it made sense at all, if that helps.

Bell shouldn't have chosen me, but there we are. Imagine he chooses Luke!

[Ginngie]

I’m in death tunnel mode so imma wait a day to talk to you because i feel like you could be making a point but I’m too blinded to care enough to figure it out

[mykonian]

I don't see how it would get in the way.

[Ginngie]

This entire phase it's like you've cared more about giving off the preception of peacemaker and getting people to interact, but really you're not doing much of anything.

I've read your ISO through this day phase and it's all deflection and hey lets be civil. You encourage discussion but refuse to participate in it, from my POV at least.

So if you want to talk so much, do a readlist breakdown, put down a vote like you've been excited to do the past couple phases but has been noticeably missing this phase.

[Bell]

It’s low key sad that nobody thinks the reason I didn’t get shot was because I can’t shoot myself. But honestly, I can’t complain.
…pretty sure this is a complaint.

[Ginngie]

huh?

[Andante]

I think Andante would join us on a Datisi flip but she currently townreads him due to his recent posting.

What sense does this even make??? Andante TR’s Datisi… but she’ll vote him!!! I literally told you he’s town??? Ceph is maf and you’re like actively against going there?? you probably are maf tbh.. trying to push “easy lim” datisi through…

[Ginngie]

Am I wrong to state that your reads do a 180 almost every day?

I'm maf, I'm town, I'm maf, I'm town, now I'm maf again

like it's not hard to guess that your read would change sooner or later in supporting it.

[Ginngie]

Also I'm starting to realize how you literally scumread anyone that goes against what you think. So i dont fucking care if you call me maf, that's only because I'm not just sheeping your reads.

[Dunnstral]

It’s low key sad that nobody thinks the reason I didn’t get shot was because I can’t shoot myself. But honestly, I can’t complain.
…pretty sure this is a complaint.

Why would you want to shoot yourself as town?

[Andante]

Am I wrong to state that your reads do a 180 almost every day?

I'm maf, I'm town, I'm maf, I'm town, now I'm maf again

like it's not hard to guess that your read would change sooner or later in supporting it.

they really don't... I literally only went to calling you maf (thus literally no push) cause you said you were doing something??
but now it's like "oh I'm sure Andante will vote her TR!!!" what's wrong with voting ceph and fire? you tr both? your partner is in them?