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[KittyTacky]

VOTE: HEM

GS Guilty

The third scum is between Italiano and Mala. I think.

[KittyTacky]

lying scum
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flailing scum
flailing scum
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1 for 1
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[KittyTacky]

I'm backup vigilante, this indeed was a gambit (as I appreciate HEM's brain when they're Town and didn't want to miselim), considering there has been no vigilante kills I am certain I am just a false guilty. When I softed, I threw some reverse tags (with reversed text) in a few posts to claim my role, seperate so they'd have to search through it and also realise it's a soft if they've seen it but once I call it out it's super easily understood.

Spoiler: Claiming I am a backup

pu kcaB there. Just because I won't be voting there makes me mega sus if they flip red? Lmfao

Spoiler: Claiming I am a Vigilante

as a traitor

you crumbed so maybe not

OK. Since I want you all to stop talking about my slot like this because I'm blatant town - I'm a gunsmith.

That is why: I believe traitors are possible.

That is why: I think there are no masons in this setup

Okay, not what I thought you were honestly. Thought you were a etnaligiV, which was mainly why I wanted to put you into heat so you're not shot, didn't think you were actually scum :p

I have a few questions for you however:
1. Why do you think a Gunsmith game lands into a Traitor game? That's a large stretch if I've ever seen one.
2. Are you taking the assumption of no masons into consideration because of your traitor conclusion? Or is it tied with your claimed role?

Spoiler: Claiming I am a false-guilty

I think you assuming that just because you are a gunsmith means that a traitor is more likely. Because it is not, what's more likely is it's used as a cop that can RP nwot a ytliug-eslaf role or a Mafia doctor exists, or have it purely as a way to not have super obvious checks similar to how Cop would in a normal. I do not see how you've come to the conclusion of no traitors existing.

I didn't want HEM dead if they were Town, and figured if they were Town they'd use their brain enough to notice that it's -ev for scum!me to do this and notice it's a gambit. Scum would not have any information and would have to assume it's the truth, which is what HEM has done. Is this a certainty? Definitely not, but it's definitely not a clear like I hoped it would be. Although I would like someone to read into whether this is scum flailing or genuine townie frustration when this happened. As I personally would expect something specific that didn't happen (I will keep this in my brain for now to avoid external bias).

I believe the elim would have swung to HEM anyway and if this did not solve, at least it's extra content to read them on.

Doesn't matter too much, the PoE is small. Worth a shot. Also I found it funny to mimic what happened D2 with the tracker guilty in the first post aha

(I also asked nobody to hammer as I was going to retract prior to a hammer).

Oh wait nevermind.

[KittyTacky]

I still don't like HEM's reaction.

[KittyTacky]

But I'll refrain from voting HEM for now until the monkey comes back.

[KittyTacky]

Oh I voted NK15 thinking he was pulling a scum gambit on his partner? A vote I rescinded and a point I clarified with someone who is used to playing with scum!NK? That?

It's a weird order of events.

NK15: "I have a guilty on Andres" *votes Andres*
Italiano: "Roden scum slipped" *votes NK15*
Andres: "I'm town" *votes NK15*

It doesn't even make sense to vote NK15 here first. You only considered two worlds here: it was either a scum gambit and they were both scum, or Andres was just caught and NK15 was town. Andres is scum in both worlds, so why did you vote NK15? If you thought he could've been bussing, why not just...let him bus?

And sure if you wanna frame it like I was ‘defending’ the slot you can. My actual point was, it was a waste of a vote because there was a high chance nothing would come of it. Nice shade by the way.

I’d still like to go for Roden and/or Kitty once we figure out what’s going on with HEM.

I'm not framing anything. You blatantly defended flipped scum after they got hit with a guilty. You didn't say anything about your suspicions of a scum gambit until later on, you just shaded me then voted NK15 without addressing the guilty, or really even accusing NK15 of anything.

Feel free to scum case me though. I've been waiting for one, but all you've done all game is call me scum and complain that everyone is bad if they don't vote me.

Yeah that renewed my scumread on Italiano.

[KittyTacky]

Silly question: Where is Mala?

I hope she is alright IRL, I'm hesitant to turbo push her for lurking again since it's known she is lurking for IRL reasons.

[KittyTacky]

I felt Math’s 2929 helped me along. I didn’t feel alone in my big brain thinking lol. I would do it again if I had to do it again.

Anyway in the mean time, anyone up for a Kitty wagon.

VOTE: Kitty

VOTE: ItalianoVD

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VC 3.02

With 9 players, it takes 5 to make a decision. Day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-05-03 09:00:00).

VC

ItalianoVD [2]:

Gamma Emerald [3136], KittyTacky [3157]

JacksonVirgo [1]:

humaneatingmonkey [3045]

MalcolmTucker [1]:

JacksonVirgo [3100]

KittyTacky [1]:

ItalianoVD [3146]

Not voting [4]:

MalcolmTucker, Malakittens, Roden, MathBlade [3110]

flavor

Spoiler:

[Gamma Emerald]

My bad. Meant to condense those quotes.

Personal experience makes me think you’re just generally sus

[MalcolmTucker]

Andre/HEM/Italiano starting to seem like a potential mafia team. Suspected Kitty until now but struggling to see a world where they're on the same team as HEM/Italiano at the moment unless it's been agreed one of them will be thrown under the bus. I think mafia Kitty probably still tries to mount a bit of a defence of HEM.

[MalcolmTucker]

Alright let's go.

VOTE: HEM

It’s been hard for me to get a solid read on HEM, which is why it feels inconsistent. I use tone as one of the tools I use to read people and some of the tones of his posts sound townie and others sound scummy. I really wouldn’t be surprised with whatever he flips at this point as I could believe both. I didn’t truly believe Leaf’s entire case. Independently HEM feels town, but because I felt sorta strong that Leaf was town maybe he was seeing something I didn’t which is why I placed HEM right in the middle of my reads.

The latter post feels very hedgy here given the earlier vote. Feel like Italiano could've perhaps thought HEM was all but gone and wanted to get from town cred from being on that wagon if they're teammates. Likewise if HEM is town it's a way for Italiano to look like they weren't all-in on the vote now it's uncertain.

Also feel like Italiano very much misrepresented a couple of typos I made in a way that felt opportunistic.

[MalcolmTucker]

I thought I was caught up, guess not. Been reading pg 11 and I'm not that comfortable with HEM seemingly coming to bat for me. Like it's cool in a sense, but I always feel icky when people do it and 265 is just goofy. Like I don't think it makes him scum, but I just never like it.

Although this early on is making me reconsider a bit. Not sure Italiano makes this post if HEM is a teammate. Surely better to just accept the defence being made of you without throwing shade onto the player making it.

[KittyTacky]

Could be distancing theatre.

[Malakittens]

Sorry I was asleep.

I think JV is still town in this situation. I don’t like HEM, but then again haven’t liked him for a while.
Malcom is still prob town
Math/Gamma is prob town.
Roden could be prob town

So my Poe is {HEM, Kitty & IVD}

[KittyTacky]

Well I'm hammering either of them (HEM only after the monkey's catchup though).

[KittyTacky]

The last two scum are almost certainly within {Mala, IVD, HEM} IMO.

[MathBlade]

Silly question: Where is Mala?

I hope she is alright IRL, I'm hesitant to turbo push her for lurking again since it's known she is lurking for IRL reasons.

I hope so too. I only asked where she was and did not suggest a turbo push. This is sus.

[MathBlade]

I think there’s a scum in Kitty/Italiano/Malcolm

[ItalianoVD]

Sorry I was asleep.

I think JV is still town in this situation. I don’t like HEM, but then again haven’t liked him for a while.
Malcom is still prob town
Math/Gamma is prob town.
Roden could be prob town

So my Poe is {HEM, Kitty & IVD}

Silly question: Where is Mala?

I hope she is alright IRL, I'm hesitant to turbo push her for lurking again since it's known she is lurking for IRL reasons.

I hope so too. I only asked where she was and did not suggest a turbo push. This is sus.

I think there’s a scum in Kitty/Italiano/Malcolm

You think I’m scum and that I’m partners with Kitty, so fypovs why not help me bus.

[MathBlade]

That’s not at all what I said?

I found a suspicious post from Kitty.

Based on that and how the votes are, I suspect a scum in you/Kitty/Malcolm.

Where did you get partners from that?

[ItalianoVD]

That’s not at all what I said?

I found a suspicious post from Kitty.

Based on that and how the votes are, I suspect a scum in you/Kitty/Malcolm.

Where did you get partners from that?

I assumed that’s what you meant because I read Mala’s post first, but yeah the wording is different with yours. Apologies.

[MathBlade]

That sounds fake.

VOTE: Italiano

[MalcolmTucker]

Scorpious have you pocketed me?

Surely Scorpious cannot be the wagon for today.

Who’s here?

Let’s compromise people.

I’m not liking that wagon.

Okay let’s try this.

VOTE: NK15

That was such an unnecessary hammer.

Italiano has seemed suss for some of today but this was their reaction to the Scorpious wagon at the time. I'm not sure how beneficial it would have been for mafia to continue going for a claimed role player when a town wagon was right there...Scorpious was a bit of a rubbish wagon but it seemed reasonable enough at time to plenty that Italiano could have had cover joining it if they are mafia.

The other option is mafia deliberately chose to keep someone off the wagon as a misdirect on D2, before we obviously went for Andre. But if Italiano is faking and staying off the Scorpious wagon, knowing it could give them town-cred, why target NK15 instead? Plenty of other players they could vote for who hadn't claimed at all.

[MathBlade]

Scorpious have you pocketed me?

Surely Scorpious cannot be the wagon for today.

Who’s here?

Let’s compromise people.

I’m not liking that wagon.

Okay let’s try this.

VOTE: NK15

That was such an unnecessary hammer.

Italiano has seemed suss for some of today but this was their reaction to the Scorpious wagon at the time. I'm not sure how beneficial it would have been for mafia to continue going for a claimed role player when a town wagon was right there...Scorpious was a bit of a rubbish wagon but it seemed reasonable enough at time to plenty that Italiano could have had cover joining it if they are mafia.

The other option is mafia deliberately chose to keep someone off the wagon as a misdirect on D2, before we obviously went for Andre. But if Italiano is faking and staying off the Scorpious wagon, knowing it could give them town-cred, why target NK15 instead? Plenty of other players they could vote for who hadn't claimed at all.

I think there’s definitely some shenanigans with D1 we just don’t know. Almost no wagon took off and so I am thinking either trying to stay off for cred or trying for no elim to get rid of PRs. I could come up with a way for almost anyone could be scum but that doesn’t make it true.