KTaNE [game over!]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

kinda wanna go back and do a deep reread when I have time.

game's moved super fast and I think we have a real chance of losing to some deepwolf shenanigans if we just start autoflipping atp

[Andante]

lose to deepwolf or enchant who has done literally nothing?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

isn't that just how Enchant plays every game

[Andante]

enchant hammered the 2 maf on e-1 that were getting limmed regardless of that hammer, yet VP it was very clear I was gonna change direction, and enchant REFUSED that hammer for 0 reason??? yeah.. enchant is maf, that was hoping i’d change my vote to dwlee again

[Andante]

well, we voted out mistyx and mala for doing nothing. got 2 maf that way, so I’m good with yeeting enchant

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

that's actually a good point on scum morale lol

VOTE: Enchant

[GuiltyLion]

I think my list at start of day would have been like

Menalque -> Enchant -> Andante -> Pooky -> Dwlee -> Bell -> CSF

but yeah like Pooky I'm kinda getting cold feet about Menalque here. I also want to reread cause there's several portions of this game that I never paid super close attention to

[GuiltyLion]

at the same time, I still think CSF's case on the scum team all not understanding the nomination of experts vs defusers is weirdly compelling

did Menalque ever explain the "I wanna be defuser" comment?

[Menalque]

hmm hmmm hmm

that crumb is a lot better than I had realized

why is Enchant town in your book Menalque? and Andante your strongest TR? I TR Andante but I don't think she's the slot I'd bet the game on being town, her associatives with a lot of the flipped scum aren't especially clearing IMO

yes, that much is evident from the way you were posting about it originally lol

I've just.... really jived with Enchant's posting throughout the game? idk, that may not be a good thing given how miscalibrated I was on Baltar for a while, but uhhh, it is how it is. to put it this way: I'm open to being wrong on Enchant and that I've just been completely duped, but I strongly feel that the slot is towny.

Andante is town for mostly two reasons, and sort of a third. Firstly, I'm trusting the reads from the first neighbourhood that have all been town so far and seemed totally convinced of Andy town. Secondly, the whole fake JOAT claim to try and ensure that dwlee lived and baltar died, plus to save strange. I find that an almost bizarre and unnecessarily attention-drawing play for scum!Andy, and in such a way that would go directly against her wincon. The third, semi-reason is that past!mena seemed to think she was town, but I didn't write down why and now I don't remember. so it may have been heavily based on reason one and it's a tautology, but I'm willing to roll with prior!me's reads a bit

Sure. @the concede thing. I feel you might be saltier too.

eh, maybe, but I'd like to think the salt is something that mostly goes on my food nowadays

To the crumb thing, look at this post where scum had crumbed joat super early and I lost because I put too much stock in it: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13243775

okay, sure, I'm not saying don't lim me purely bc of the claim. I'm barely even saying don't lim me, although I'd prefer to do pooky first. I'm saying that the claim is (1) an excellent fit with the setup, that I seemingly happened to chance onto if scum (2) the only crumb I set up, despite the fact that for scum!me having contingency claims would be a good idea (3) is highly consistent with other actions I've taken and the way I've played the game (e.g. hammering fire immediately, not bothering to take your case seriously at all because I thought the claim would be a get-out-of-jail free card)

Further arguing with a dead cat: Misty had an ability that secures 3 eliminations and had by far the most powerful role in the scum team, I hope.

either you're seriously misunderstanding what misty's role was, or I am, and I don't

think

it's me

could we at least do me the solid of not picking him for the expert squad tonight

I don't see how being on the "expert squad" actually matters atp

experts can kill defuser, if defuser is towny then we want that to not happen easily

i lowkey actually do think maybe he just waves a white flag here and concedes if he's actually lone!scum which is kind of gross but he has mentioned playing against wincon on purpose multiple times in the past

uh, pooky, I've never conceded a game in my life when playing solo on mena -- I think I've agreed to concede for the sake of hydra partners once or twice. I'm also not sure I've talked about playing against wincon in the past, although I've certainly said that "I hope town loses" or stuff to that effect when very salty. do you have, uh,

any

receipts of me doing that, because it sounds a loooooot like you're just making shit up from here

like the thing with him pushing me is.

I can totally see him actually being paranoid of me if he's like town cuz dude is fucking terrified of scum!me since I've like eaten him multiple times.

and like I don't think it actually makes sense for him to do this shit!push on me as like cornered scum cuz the odds scum!him actually flips me here is pretty fucking low and like after I flip town where the fuck is he going to go? try to get 2 more misflips?

seems like a tall fucking task ngl

(1) it's not a shitpush

(2) I'm not terrified of scum!you, although I do respect your abilities as a scum player

(3) I'm aware that I probably don't get you flipped today -- my main aim is to try and make sure that if I am flipped today that you go tomorrow. if I'm wrong on you you can call me a poopoo head in the dead thread and we can try to work out the final scum together

at the same time, I still think CSF's case on the scum team all not understanding the nomination of experts vs defusers is weirdly compelling

did Menalque ever explain the "I wanna be defuser" comment?

I didn't! the answer is that I p much always skim setups initially and got mixed up about it!

I know it's not a good look given how the flipped scum also all did that, but it's one of those unfortunate coincidences

[Menalque]

question: does anyone else think I'm shitpushing pooky as they read my posts here?

[Bell]

idk if bell agrees, but I thought Enchant was scummy in our titus pt… enchant isn’t town

I don’t, but the bar for enchant town is very low and they’re hard to read.
I want Mena though.

Oh, yeah I probably misunderstood their role.
My understanding of their role was that they could blow up a bomb with a team composed entirely of town.

[Bell]

No, I don’t, because you’ve been consistent with the pooky push and mind meld.
Though I feel like I’m a hungry for affirmation sort of guy and it’s pathetic tbh. Of me, I mean. I think it’s a weakness.

[Bell]

Don’t ad hom me but who have you baby sat?

[Bell]

I just went back and reread their role and it seems to say that they plant a bomb during twilight that always explodes.
So, I think, I understood it correctly unless Datisi meant as an additional night kill. Or something.

[Menalque]

As for actions:

N1 sat on GL (Awks)

N3 sat on Baltar (Also awks, but in fairness I originally had Andres pencilled in until I realised he was defuser)

N5 sat on Andante

@bell

[Bell]

Did GL did anything Day one that warranted that protect?

[Menalque]

it was mostly that I thought he's generally a solid NK target and someone I wanted to play with/hoped that I'd be able to work with later on in the game

plus I couldn't target catboi as he was defuser, and after the fire flip I wasn't sure if andres was town or had fakeclaimed

[Bell]

Wouldn’t you have found out if they fake claimed or not when you died?

[Menalque]

looking back at notes, I also considered frog but, and I wish I could quote here, said something along the lines of "I think he's town but based on d1 I think it might be overall better for the game if he dies" and uh, well

what do you mean? oh, I didn't think I was gonna got shot n1 or any other night so I've been using my babysit purely as a slightly risky protecc

[Bell]

That’s what I mean. You could have used the baby sit to protect Andre and also crumbed so we could verify the doc. Did you crumb your checks or just your role?

[Bell]

I wish Dunnstral was here, he’s know if I’m making sense or not.

[Menalque]

I did not crumb the checks, just the role. I kinda meant to but because I haven't been around a load I generally didn't decide who I was gonna be on until during night each time

how would it have verified andres as being the doc?

[Menalque]

I, for one, am glad Dunn is not here because he always wishes to kill me regardless of my alignment

[Bell]

I discovered that I thought babysitters were just bodyguards, but in actuality they work like a doc except if the baby sitter is killed the baby is killed as well.

[Menalque]

*pats head*