KTaNE [game over!]

[Menalque]

I’m going to though and then I’m probably following Mena’s elimination list to the letter if they flip town.

This is okay with me, I'd obviously prefer not to be limmed and I don't think it's necessary, but I can live with it.

If I am going that way though, then I'd like to be as sure as possible on who's town for the remaining days, because for instance I'm currently not sure if that initial list is the same one I'd like to stick to. I want to talk to CSF, GL, and enchant more. I feel happier about you, I think.

I would be shocked if dwlee or Andy are maf. And I want to talk about pooky in case it's also not him. Town should win this even with my mislim, but I don't want to leave a pool to be followed if it might lead to turbolimming into elo.

[Menalque]

You could check if town made the same mistake. I don't think anyone else did

yes, there's nowhere else that town have made the same mista-

i thought there was this collective agreement that defusers would blow up people we weren't townreading.

also, yes, I do have a NA tonight but it seems redundant probably? the only way to maybe get use out of it would be to say I'm going to 50/50 toss a coin between targeting the scummiest player and the towniest one, making scum either risk limming themselves by killing me or going for a double whammy

[Menalque]

for the last post: inb4 tmi, I mean that if CSF town then obviously from her own perspective town just made the same mistake

[Menalque]

- you didn't quote the posts where I really started thinking Andres was scum. I basically saw something shinier and moved there.

yeah, I know, but I guess I just found it odd that you sort of completely let the thread drop only to then vote alongside him? I'll reread again though

[Cat Scratch Fever]

yeah that was the "simple explanation" I referenced in [post]5647[/pos] if you are town because, clearly, a lot of people (including the mod hello Datisi) mix those two words up

but not a lot thought we could actually nom the defuser, which is a big difference

[Menalque]

I mean, I still think you're significantly more likely town than not CSF, but I want to work out any weird shit from you before I bin you with dwlee and Andy and start trying to sort between the other three

Bell will get the same thing if I find anything that seems off when I go through his ISO but I feel better from talking to him today, even if I disagree with his reasoning for wanting my lim first

[Menalque]

I think I did mean bomb defuser but I'm not sure

I mostly meant "I want to be picked to do stuff with the bomb because it seems like a really cool bit of the setup to me"

honestly biggest regret this game is not even that I prob get limmed for bad optics around scum, but not looking towny enough to get picked to do bomb stuff on other nights. I'm gutted

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I also felt VPB wasn't going anywhere as a wagon and wanted to go elsewhere

I think I also voted fireisred at one point out of sheer boredom lol

[Menalque]

CSF, not asking you to out but just want to make sure I'm not going crazy -- you are an alt of someone I know, right?

[Menalque]

I also felt VPB wasn't going anywhere as a wagon

why not try to get it going yourself?

[GuiltyLion]

I feel like the only person who would kill Cephrir here is Menalque. Does anyone have a refutation of that?

I'm growing more and more tempted to switch to Enchant

[GuiltyLion]

whoops, that is an old post I was thinking about replying to yesterday but then didn't

[GuiltyLion]

I'm really confused by what scum were doing on N2

so scum's swapping role hasn't flipped yet

why swap misty into the experts is what I'm not getting, if they were already going to swap VPB into the defuser role? was it to give misty more towncred short term after VPB doesn't blow up? because that seems wildly short sighted given that they then used VPB to blow up andres -- why not put misty in again there

yeah this honestly still makes very little sense to me, it's not at all how I would have played it myself. I speculated on it in the hood last night and I think the plan was to either have:

a) misty bus VPB and make herself look townier that way
or
b) misty help boost consensus on town!VPB to secure him another defuse

Bell and I both expressed early townreads on Baltar and said we would give correct info, at which point Misty did a little dog and pony show of 'sorting' Baltar before eventually giving a solve not too long before deadline. so I think had Bell or I indicated more suspicion, they probably would have gone a lot harder on a bussing approach between the two. but overall it's still kinda weird since I don't think scum really had a chance at the 4 defuse win with the way they went about it

[GuiltyLion]

UNVOTE:

I'm want to engage tryhard mode and reread a lot of D1/D2/D3 again. Stay tuned for that today/tonight in between bouts of work

[GuiltyLion]

but yeah Menalque much like you are constantly asking about Pooky, I would really love like a truly convincing case from somebody why Andante is town. The best point in her favor is all the fake JOAT claim stuff, she claimed accurate results and used it to help town lim scum rather than secure a miselim so I get the idea that it's ~ probably ~ ++town, but I don't think it's impossible to come from scum?

The main thing holding me back is I feel like her read on Dwlee pivoted from scum to town very suddenly, she claimed it was a result that caused this - which we now know it wasn't - and then all her post-N4 VPB interactions looked to me like distancing where her primary goal was to look unaligned with him. A lot of her early game reads were very wack to me and she has been constantly trying to throw suspicion on me throughout the game

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: Dwlee

dwlee and strange have to be the next 2 flips. no reason to ever not flip both

and I need Dwlee flipped before Mistyx cause there's a strong thing catboi pointed out that they're not partners, which I'd agree with

VOTE: Dwlee

dwlee and strange have to be the next 2 flips. no reason to ever not flip both

Flipping Morning Tweet would give a lot of context to the game at that point.

i'm tryinggggggggggggggg

we have to flip Dwlee

VOTE: Dwlee

my reads change too much for me to be town, and at this point no one even thinks I have a decent read.

Dwlee for sure has to go tomorrow after this flips town

VOTE: Dwlee

I've decided I'm not gonna encourage the likely town lim, and instead I'll be voting mafia, also yeah, asking me for a claim here? lmao right... not gonna happen

no. I TR nothing about Dwlee. Dwlee has only significantly changed their playstyle after pooky and I were like "dwlee has done 0 solving"

oh I hope strange flips town

Just got here.

Oh I will.

I'm fairly certain you flip town lol but these people...

These are all the Andante posts on Dwlee/Strange immediately prior to Strange flip

then the next day, she comes in voting VPB and saying she has a town result on Dwlee

now that we know she's a VT

Why did her read change??????

[Cat Scratch Fever]

CSF, not asking you to out but just want to make sure I'm not going crazy -- you are an alt of someone I know, right?

Yes but I haven't played on my main in years. This kitty account is my main now :3

I also felt VPB wasn't going anywhere as a wagon

why not try to get it going yourself?

I think I did try ;_;

[Menalque]

I feel like the only person who would kill Cephrir here is Menalque. Does anyone have a refutation of that?

I'm growing more and more tempted to switch to Enchant

what were you thinking of saying to this btw?

but yeah Menalque much like you are constantly asking about Pooky, I would really love like a truly convincing case from somebody why Andante is town. The best point in her favor is all the fake JOAT claim stuff, she claimed accurate results and used it to help town lim scum rather than secure a miselim so I get the idea that it's ~ probably ~ ++town, but I don't think it's impossible to come from scum?

The main thing holding me back is I feel like her read on Dwlee pivoted from scum to town very suddenly, she claimed it was a result that caused this - which we now know it wasn't - and then all her post-N4 VPB interactions looked to me like distancing where her primary goal was to look unaligned with him. A lot of her early game reads were very wack to me and she has been constantly trying to throw suspicion on me throughout the game

Andy is on the list, but I want to go through Bell's posting first

I think that aside from the JOAT thing, stock should be put into several flipped town (greeting, catboi, andres) who I think have generally good reads all being very sure of Andy town. my reads go up and down, and Andy is someone I struggle to be super confident on from the little I have played with her (she gives me the same kinda chaos vibe that Noraa always would, which I sometimes want to just kill but that's mostly because I struggle with sorting it) and so I want to outsource this somewhat to those people who were very confident in it

[Menalque]

I mean, technically everyone is on the list, but Andy and dwlee have got the lowest priority

also, just in terms of numbers:

8 alive today. scum probably have another nk by now? so let's say that the nk goes through. that means 6 tomorrow, maybe 5 if like, GL is town but gets made defuser because that's probably too risky to allow.

that means only 2 more lims before endgame I think, after today? so the key from today is trying to get a pool of 3 that is as sure as possible to contain the final scum

[Menalque]

VOTE: Dwlee

dwlee and strange have to be the next 2 flips. no reason to ever not flip both

and I need Dwlee flipped before Mistyx cause there's a strong thing catboi pointed out that they're not partners, which I'd agree with

VOTE: Dwlee

dwlee and strange have to be the next 2 flips. no reason to ever not flip both

Flipping Morning Tweet would give a lot of context to the game at that point.

i'm tryinggggggggggggggg

we have to flip Dwlee

VOTE: Dwlee

my reads change too much for me to be town, and at this point no one even thinks I have a decent read.

Dwlee for sure has to go tomorrow after this flips town

VOTE: Dwlee

I've decided I'm not gonna encourage the likely town lim, and instead I'll be voting mafia, also yeah, asking me for a claim here? lmao right... not gonna happen

no. I TR nothing about Dwlee. Dwlee has only significantly changed their playstyle after pooky and I were like "dwlee has done 0 solving"

oh I hope strange flips town

Just got here.

Oh I will.

I'm fairly certain you flip town lol but these people...

These are all the Andante posts on Dwlee/Strange immediately prior to Strange flip

then the next day, she comes in voting VPB and saying she has a town result on Dwlee

now that we know she's a VT

Why did her read change??????

hm. okay, I guess I would like Andy to expand on this, yeah

CSF, not asking you to out but just want to make sure I'm not going crazy -- you are an alt of someone I know, right?

Yes but I haven't played on my main in years. This kitty account is my main now :3

I also felt VPB wasn't going anywhere as a wagon

why not try to get it going yourself?

I think I did try ;_;

okay, thank god I'm not going crazy. I think I did think you were someone who you're not for a sec, tho

and for the second thing... um, would you mind showing me the posts where you think you did this? because I don't really see it from your ISO

[Bell]

I don’t really think Andante is good enough scum to fake defensiveness about their decisions.

[Menalque]

Bell, could you break down what Titus' argument for andante!scum was? in as much detail as possible please

[Bell]

Later, at work.

[Menalque]

Sure, we have time

[GuiltyLion]

I don’t really think Andante is good enough scum to fake defensiveness about their decisions.

I don't understand what this means? scum!Andante in my experience from Holiday Dance was very defensive and prone to AtE