KTaNE [game over!]

[GuiltyLion]

what were you thinking of saying to this btw?

just that I don't think Ceph is a particularly weird kill, he was obvious town. Could see anyone as scum making that kill really, not exclusively you. But then I decided to wait and see if you were going to say anything

[Enchant]

Hello, forgot to warn i will be not avaliable for some time, but here.

What's up?

[Bell]

Claim please!

[Bell]

I don’t really think Andante is good enough scum to fake defensiveness about their decisions.

I don't understand what this means? scum!Andante in my experience from Holiday Dance was very defensive and prone to AtE

Yeah but not about their decisions. It was just a sort of general defensiveness.

[Enchant]

I am Jester

[Bell]

Also who do you think is the last scum enchant?

[Bell]

Nono, we’re doing a mass claim rn. You and I are the only ones that haven’t claimed lol.

[Enchant]

Nono, we’re doing a mass claim rn. You and I are the only ones that haven’t claimed lol.

You dare to accuse me of lying?

Well actually yes, i lying.

I am VT, but actually prepared fancy fakeclaim in case i run up by angry mob.

[Bell]

Cool. I’m employed by Datisi.

[Enchant]

Who is Datisi

[Menalque]

enchant, who do you think is the final scum?

[Bell]

So pretty much all power roles have claimed.

[Menalque]

and why, ideally, but I'll settle for the answer to the first question

[Bell]

Who is Datisi

Corporate overlord.

[Enchant]

enchant, who do you think is the final scum?

Andante and Bell for same reason, they blew Titus who blatant town.

Who is Datisi

Corporate overlord.

I start sympatising GeorgeBailey more.

He didn't put role which can just bomb and chain executions afterwards.

And yes, it makes Frog accident hero. PRAISE HIM.

[Menalque]

Andante and Bell for same reason, they blew Titus who blatant town.

why not me or pooky?

[Enchant]

Andante and Bell for same reason, they blew Titus who blatant town.

why not me or pooky?

Didn't even considered. I think you die next night for doublekill, so you better aim better lol.
Or don't aim at all? Hmmm.

I can't read Pooky at all, i won't even bother.

[Bell]

Andante expressed disinterest in defusing the bomb given the risk of Titus being scum.
Titus acknowledged this, then disagreed pointing out that they put VPbaltar into a bad position with a claim.(that I still can’t find). Then said they think the team is just misty and andante (no explanation given at this point).
Andante engaged me with about Mistyx, I expressed worry that Baltar had led us into a miselimination of misty. Just due to the wifom there. Andante responded that they(misty) hadn’t done anything townie.
Andante responded to titus’s pairing of them and Mistyx by laughing and saying they were done talking to them.
Andante starts to engage with the reasoning that they wouldn’t let Titus live especially because they hadn’t really Towned it up in game.

Everybody asked Titus for reads and then Titus said:
Andante because they weren’t really engaging with the core of people’s arguments, lacked curiosity, made things more confusing and not less confusing by entering conversations they were involved in and inflamming the them. They also accused andante of tactically lurking, and losing interest in the game when they weren’t suspected. Titus says that she thinks she is going to die because Andante won’t defuse unless forced to by me and Enchant.

[Enchant]

Andante expressed disinterest in defusing the bomb given the risk of Titus being scum.
Titus acknowledged this, then disagreed pointing out that they put VPbaltar into a bad position with a claim.(that I still can’t find). Then said they think the team is just misty and andante (no explanation given at this point).
Andante engaged me with about Mistyx, I expressed worry that Baltar had led us into a miselimination of misty. Just due to the wifom there. Andante responded that they(misty) hadn’t done anything townie.
Andante responded to titus’s pairing of them and Mistyx by laughing and saying they were done talking to them.
Andante starts to engage with the reasoning that they wouldn’t let Titus live especially because they hadn’t really Towned it up in game.

Everybody asked Titus for reads and then Titus said:
Andante because they weren’t really engaging with the core of people’s arguments, lacked curiosity, made things more confusing and not less confusing by entering conversations they were involved in and inflamming the them. They also accused andante of tactically lurking, and losing interest in the game when they weren’t suspected. Titus says that she thinks she is going to die because Andante won’t defuse unless forced to by me and Enchant.

Give it same thought as you did hold up.

[Enchant]

Done.

[Enchant]

Either way, i am not happy that you didn't explode Andante.

[Bell]

Then andante asked when Titus started to scum read them, as they hadn’t recalled them mentioning it in thread.
Titus asked me to reconsider if Mistyx flipped scum. They felt they were a team. And that andante’s approach to misty was obvious bussing.

[Bell]

It actually gets more back and forthy from
Basically andante just keeps mocking Titus for their bad read on them.
While suddenly cozying up to enchant trying to get reads out of them. Titus also said they were confident andante could read them, and the fact they hadn’t was suspicious. Andante responded that, there was a lack of logic there.

[Enchant]

Imo about argument that i didn't hammer VP.

Like it's hard to pretend to being AFK at moment of hammer. I can afford, i am hyperlurker.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

and for the second thing... um, would you mind showing me the posts where you think you did this? because I don't really see it from your ISO

Spoiler: some posts

I could vote either VP or fire atp

VOTE: Morning Tweet

VP I promise I'll skim through that game at some point tonight for ya,

main thing I'm just trying to see is if the style of asking a bunch of questions and posting random largely meaningless observations

(579 another one that pinged me much in the same vein) is fully in line with your town game, seems fire (slash maybe a couple others IIRC?) is vouching for that but just want to check it myself

I largely agree with this observation. I was kind of surprised that VP is second top poster when I opened up the activity overview, because I don't really remember their posts or recall their stances.

Keep us updated on the metadive

VOTE: VP

I could vote either VP or fire atp

VOTE: Morning Tweet

VP I promise I'll skim through that game at some point tonight for ya,

main thing I'm just trying to see is if the style of asking a bunch of questions and posting random largely meaningless observations

(579 another one that pinged me much in the same vein) is fully in line with your town game, seems fire (slash maybe a couple others IIRC?) is vouching for that but just want to check it myself

I largely agree with this observation. I was kind of surprised that VP is second top poster when I opened up the activity overview, because I don't really remember their posts or recall their stances.

Keep us updated on the metadive

This kind of looks like you just testing the waters of wagons that are semi-popular and saying your fine with either.

It's also pretty silly to be like "vp isn't memorable!" when your ability to remember things I've said and my positions is not my problem. Have better reading retention. I also don't know a thing you've done this game, but that's not an actual reason alone to scum read a person because I could say that about lots of players in a large game.

You may think my questions are pointless, but they aren't to me and how I'm feeling people out, which is all I care about.

Sure I don't have a read on Andres or The Bulge or other people, but they've barely posted or haven't posted enough for me to feel strongly one way or another

the difference with you is that you've posted a lot, but somehow your posts haven't stood out unlike the other active posters. My reading retention isn't the problem if I can remember other active posters.

I feel bad that I scum read baltar for their effort post.
The reason I am compelled to scum read it, is because their reads, read like characterizations first and sorting people second.

I'm always judging

Why is this your response to someone scumreading you for your readslist?

Cat Scratch Fever -

I REALLY don't like her trying to draft off GL onto me for some wild ass reasons like "I don't remember you".

Open my ISO if you don't remember me. Her saying she is fine with fire or VP also seems opportunistic. Need to read if she is having serious conversations with fire trying to find his alignment, because I didn't don't think she was doing that with me at all.

Me not remembering you is a sign that you haven't made any notable pushes, and you're here in the thread but not making waves. It's not that I haven't read your posts or parts of your ISO.

If you need me to describe it in terms of buzzwords, I guess "active lurking" is the best fit.

Why is this point unbelievable when Cephrir basically said the same thing about you?

I feel bad that I scum read baltar for their effort post.
The reason I am compelled to scum read it, is because their reads, read like characterizations first and sorting people second.

I'm always judging

Why is this your response to someone scumreading you for your readslist?

Because I think it is funny

do you think it's a fair assessment of your post? like does it affect your read of Bell?

Me not remembering you is a sign that you haven't made any notable pushes, and you're here in the thread but not making waves. It's not that I haven't read your posts or parts of your ISO.

Do you think you are making waves? cause like, I have news for you....

Terrible deflection

Also you have more than twice as many posts as I have, so not at all relevant

do you think it's a fair assessment of your post? like does it affect your read of Bell?

I don't think it's a fair assessment. I don't even particularly know what it means. But it was also Friday, and after putting like 30 mins into trying to sort generally where my feelings on the game were at, I wanted to go drink some beer and chill, not get into a back and forth with someone right then.

As far as how I feel about Bell, I don't know if it was a bad faith bit of shading or not. I guess I'll see what he does with it or if he wants to explain further.

I thought it was scummy to post a readslist and not want to talk about it, since that's the primary reason for posting one. Your explanation for not wanting to get into a back and forth right away is plausible though I'm not sure i believe it. Since it doesn't really move the needle for me, let's just move on.

Your scumpool is alarming.

The one point you made against me that was valid was that I have not engaged a lot with you, which is probably true. But everything else I didn't think was fair.

There's Strange who is kind of just always LHF, because he struggles with expressing himself. Idk if you've played with him before and I won't hold this point against you if you haven't, but this scumread doesn't sway my opinion of you.

There's Titus, who I think was sick or something, and confidently asserted that she sometimes takes a backseat day 1. Why would she lie about something that can be so easily fact checked?

For Mala - idk how to read Koba and admittedly, the longer Mala goes without posting, the more concerned I get. The time I played with town Mala years ago, I vaguely recall her being obvtown. But she also has a busy/stressful job, so imo give her a couple more RL days to get into the game.

Overall, it gave me the impression that you went like: "hmm I have CSF and Strange in here and I should probably have a couple more scumreads, why not throw Titus and Mala in here?"

The other problem I have with your readslist is that I'm not sure everything tracks - fire is town because you vibe with his reads. But fire's scumpool {MT, Menalque, Andres} doesn't overlap with your scumpool here, so I'm not sure how that ended up being town for you