Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Flavor Leaf]

@TB
@Wallflower

Can you both explain why you are scum reading Catboi?

I've given some of my thoughts on it, I think the pressure is good no matter what right now, but I wanna hear your reasons.

I think I saw Wallflower give some a bit back, but yeah.

I am town reading both Wallf and TB right now, so it actually leans well.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Norwegian - it's a Day 1 gut scum read, why is it effecting you the way it is?

[Sword of Ducks]

I don't think I can tie it to a post/posts - it's moreso a general feeling.

You're very clearly a new player and i think you are having a hard time navigating in this environment. Hence you have a gutread on me that says scum.
That said, i do townread you and don't think you are being fake.

I'm not wholly a new player, it's more that I'm interacting with people I don't know from prior experience / haven't played on this site before.

How much previous experience?

One game town with the same exact role, two games I played poorly as mafia, and one

fantastic

role madness game as a serial killer.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Norwegian - it's a Day 1 gut scum read, why is it effecting you the way it is?

Are you talking about SOD's read on me?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Okay, this is clearly personal, and regardless of your alignment, I think you should stop.

I pushed mena/catboi as a team and voted catboi

mena's been trying to make this shit personal for ???? reasons

I've been trying to get him to explain his townread of catboi

he continues not to.

so like lol sure

keep pretending we're the same

we're not.

I'm really not seeing this tbh

He's actually been quite civil

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tbh i do agree Tracer Bullet's been kinda mean and i wish he would tone down a bit. Not saying he can't have his opinions but there is no reason to be insulting peoples play and saying they are past their prime all the time imo.

[Menalque]

ty both

okay, I'm actually logging now, it's kinda late here and I've got a job interview for a summer camp thing tomorrow

[Flavor Leaf]

@Menalque - Do you think there's a chance you're pocketed by Catboi? I went back and checked some things, and their first post in the game was an RVS vote towards you.

The fact you are town reading them so strongly for reasons I'm not sure why, not that I'm confident in Catboi scum by any means, but their first post acknowledged you, which is a direct way to interact with another player, and that can easily lend to trust for being acknowledged.

uh, maybe, but I guess it's more --

a lot of people seem to kinda want catboi dead

when while he hasn't had that much (bar one thing) that stood out as that towny to me,

he also hasn't been scummy

and I don't see the awkwardness in the early game that others are talking about.

I also think town!catboi is a high priority lim for scum, so I can see both scum teams + potentially malefactor all playing into catboi paranoia to try and increase the odds of getting said mislim

the thing I really liked and I guess the main reason that I think catboi is town based on his own posting is 809 which I could jive with once I read back through malc's posting and paired it with what catboi is saying. having now talked to malc more on my own, and also feeling better about town there, I in turn feel good about catboi getting there before me and helping me to see it too

The bold helps me read you and see where you're coming from, and I like this as a reason you are against Catboi.

I don't recall being in a game with CatboiScum, or ever seeing their scum game, I could be wrong, however, based on what I've heard, do you expect Catboi to be scummy on a Day 1?

I don't see the awkwardness either, this could be scum pushing that or town who doesn't know how to express it, because frankly, I don't think there would be a case on Catboi Day 1.

I dont know Catboi well enough, but I do agree, both scum teams + Malefactor joining is likely, however, a full scum team + Malefactor would join onto the other scum without knowing. Dangers of Multiball for sure.

I had a similar progression on Malcolm through Catboi even if I'm remembering correctly. I think it's another neutral reasoning based on scum being able to guess that he's not scum or a scum partner. I think Malc probably town.

Reading you as town here, and Malc here as town, makes me weary of Catboi, though.

It's a rough situation, for sure, but I think there's merit in pressure on the slot. I do not believe you and Catboi are scum together.

[bnuuy]

We don't count games where mafia threw.

I didn't read this game of course.

I would t say they threw. More like they didn’t come to play.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Norwegian - it's a Day 1 gut scum read, why is it effecting you the way it is?

Are you talking about SOD's read on me?

yeah, I think it's fine of them to read that way, and I kind of liked how they explained it. It's Day 1, so overtime I imagine their read would evolve if things changed/more info. you focusing on it the way you were pinged me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Got my head twirling a bit since I also saw the Catboi sheep, which if Catboi is scum, I expect the other scum team to still hop on.

Bussing is extremely dangerous as scum this game because more scum available for momentum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Norwegian - it's a Day 1 gut scum read, why is it effecting you the way it is?

Are you talking about SOD's read on me?

yeah, I think it's fine of them to read that way, and I kind of liked how they explained it. It's Day 1, so overtime I imagine their read would evolve if things changed/more info. you focusing on it the way you were pinged me.

I don't really get it but ok.

[Flavor Leaf]

What don't you get?

[bnuuy]

when I say dangerous I mean

Catboi is better at coaching his teammates, setting them up, manipulating game state etc.

Your style is more lone wolfy and you mostly demoralize your team to the point where they stop playing so I'm not really priotizing elimming you.

I would kill him first out of the two of you.

Jesus, Menalque I feel sorry for you

[Flavor Leaf]

The read itself? You said you thought that SOD was genuine. What don't you get from it?

[cassowary]

well that was a fun series of posts to catch up on

I don't really see the case on Malcolm as scum, I think he looks pretty townie to me for now.

No real opinion on any of these meta reads, these do nothing for me, I know none of you. I'm sure you're all very cool and good at mafia. However I do think looking over Flavor Leaf's iso, a lot of his posting has been kind of reactive and/or meta discussion, which is pinging me a little bit.

I kind of see the point on monkeyman that he's acting

weird

but not necessarily scummy. Not sure he's my top suspicion at the moment.

pedit: originally I moved my vote to flavor leaf here but then he made a couple nice posts with detailed reasoning and now I'm conflicted again.

I'm not really sure I see the case on catboi as scum, to be honest. I suppose it's possible but nothing about their posts is really particularly sticking out to me.

Honestly, you'll have to forgive me for being a bit all-over-the-place at the moment, this is the first time I've played a multiball game

or

a hydra game, so it's a bit tricky to read people in ways I'm used to and it's kind of a lot to deal with, haha. I'm sure I'll get the hang of it with time though.

One game town with the same exact role, two games I played poorly as mafia, and one

fantastic

role madness game as a serial killer.

Just to be clear, you're claiming you've rolled vanilla townie in this game?

[bnuuy]

Your style is more lone wolfy and you mostly demoralize your team to the point where they stop playing so I'm not really priotizing elimming you.

this uh

sounds like you have some problem with me beyond the game, because I don't really think I tend to do that to my scumteams at all

that was at flavor leaf

Oh hm
Tracer, you should be more careful about who you’re referring to, I don’t recall any indication that you meant Flavor Leaf by that before that post

[Flavor Leaf]

when I say dangerous I mean

Catboi is better at coaching his teammates, setting them up, manipulating game state etc.

Your style is more lone wolfy and you mostly demoralize your team to the point where they stop playing so I'm not really priotizing elimming you.

I would kill him first out of the two of you.

Jesus, Menalque I feel sorry for you

I think they were talking to me actually with that one based off of one game's meta

But honestly, this will go in my favor if I ever roll scum in a game with TB.

[Flavor Leaf]

Those things they said Catboi was good at, are the exact things that are generally said for me, which makes me happy there's more scum players finally doing stuff.

I need some Catboi scum links, I wanna check them out, see where they're at on their scum journey.

[bnuuy]

How to make Flavour Leaf engaged in the game:

Insinuate that he is lacking in the skills required to excel at playing as the scum alignment.

This is town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The read itself? You said you thought that SOD was genuine. What don't you get from it?

Your musings of why you think i could be scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

The read itself? You said you thought that SOD was genuine. What don't you get from it?

Your musings of why you think i could be scum.

Why is that something you don't get?

I think it's a fair assessment on Day 1 that could think it's possible you could be scum from those 2 actions.

The SOD one is trying to change what you feel is a genuine read, but incorrect, and the catboi 4th wagon slot sheep I feel also makes sense.

I think both are fair for questioning at the very least. I'm not fully pushing you or anything.

[Flavor Leaf]

How to make Flavour Leaf engaged in the game:

Insinuate that he is lacking in the skills required to excel at playing as the scum alignment.

That's the 2nd best way.

Best way is to do the same thing, but for my town game.

[Wallflower]

well that was a fun series of posts to catch up on

I don't really see the case on Malcolm as scum, I think he looks pretty townie to me for now.

No real opinion on any of these meta reads, these do nothing for me, I know none of you. I'm sure you're all very cool and good at mafia. However I do think looking over Flavor Leaf's iso, a lot of his posting has been kind of reactive and/or meta discussion, which is pinging me a little bit.

I kind of see the point on monkeyman that he's acting

weird

but not necessarily scummy. Not sure he's my top suspicion at the moment.

pedit: originally I moved my vote to flavor leaf here but then he made a couple nice posts with detailed reasoning and now I'm conflicted again.

I'm not really sure I see the case on catboi as scum, to be honest. I suppose it's possible but

nothing about their posts is really particularly sticking out to me.

Honestly, you'll have to forgive me for being a bit all-over-the-place at the moment, this is the first time I've played a multiball game

or

a hydra game, so it's a bit tricky to read people in ways I'm used to and it's kind of a lot to deal with, haha. I'm sure I'll get the hang of it with time though.

One game town with the same exact role, two games I played poorly as mafia, and one

fantastic

role madness game as a serial killer.

Just to be clear, you're claiming you've rolled vanilla townie in this game?

And herein lies one of the issues

[NorwegianboyEE]

The read itself? You said you thought that SOD was genuine. What don't you get from it?

Your musings of why you think i could be scum.

Why is that something you don't get?

I think it's a fair assessment on Day 1 that could think it's possible you could be scum from those 2 actions.

The SOD one is trying to change what you feel is a genuine read, but incorrect, and the catboi 4th wagon slot sheep I feel also makes sense.

I think both are fair for questioning at the very least. I'm not fully pushing you or anything.

Well yes, i do think it's a genuine read. And if someone i genuinely believe could be town believes i am scum then obviously i would try to convince them they are wrong.
That's basic play no matter my alignment, but probably more town indicative in general? Because as scum i could easily just completely ignore them and it will probably have no further impact on me down the road.
As for 4th wagon sheep, well yeah? Sheepings kinda been my whole schtick this game and i'm not afraid to admit it. But i have a reasoning for that too, this is an 23 player game so if we don't sheep then we'll never get any information or a flip and what is more important than than in D1 of a large game.