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I don't find that bnuuy's latest posts are out of the range of what I would expect them to do if they were scum here. The wagon feels like it fell apart a little quickly. Maybe just because I was raised in the mafia of an earlier time, but I tend to have more inertia than is typical on this site these days. It takes me longer to turn towards scumreading or voting someone, and once I do, it takes me longer to turn away. These sorts of speed wagons rising up and falling away are not really something that's familiar to me. It feels closer to chat mafia at times. Which is not always a bad thing, but it may mean that I should be relying a bit more on gut reads. I agree with Menalque, though, that there's no point in wagoning for pressure if the pressure drops away at the slightest hint of a towny response. This makes me feel like some of the people riding the wave of the wagon didn't genuinely want it to go through, and were just waiting for an excuse to jump back off.
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I get flustered in response to being pressured as town. Moreso than in response to being wagoned as scum, even. Anyone who's played with me can confirm this.In post 1648, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Oh one more thing. I thought Catboi's slightly flustered response to be wagoned very early in the game was a bit suspicious. Because by that point it could easily be chalked up to RVS, but they seemed genuinely worried. Which felt a bit like scum that was overanalyzing and trying harder to defend themselves than town!them would do.In post 1642, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 1632, catboi wrote:just voting someone because they "could" be scum to spark discussion?
this is totally fine to do on Day 1.
I've been trying to stay out of Norwee vs Catboi, but my main thing right now is I believe Catboi's taking advantage of Norwegian having a gut scum read on Catboi, and Norwegian can't explain it because it's a gut read.
Norwegian clearly brought up they'd be willing to vote Catboi earlier after I did, then did, which I felt was pretty natural and automatically showed that Norwegian had a least some suspicion on Catboi, and Catboi keeps minimizing Norwegian's responses and grabbing things like that, and pinpointing them.
But it's not like I'm not asking you to clear me off it. That would be dumb.In post 1649, catboi wrote:I missed that at the time it was mentioned.In post 1644, Well Done wrote:Catboi, you can't get town points for missing this when it has already been discussed in theIn post 1526, catboi wrote:Oh, shows me for being lazy and not reading the OP because I assumed it would mostly be like last time (where faction sizes weren't publicly disclosed).In post 1504, Klick wrote:'The faction sizes are 14:4:4:1'In post 1498, catboi wrote:Where are you getting this from? First game had 7 scum in it with a similar number of players.In post 1489, Klick wrote:I have to remind myself that this game has 9 (!) scum in it, and therefore there is going to be a lot of nonsense on any given page
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In post 463, Menalque wrote:this would be lowkey the funniest slip I've ever seen lmaoIn post 461, Nashville Dreams wrote:What makes you say there's 9 anti-town?In post 460, Well Done wrote:We suspect that you are one of the 9 anti-town players in this game.
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I retract my prior "hmmmmmmm"
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I think the wagon was super scummy. Makes bnuuy lock town and catboi or wallflower likely scum.In post 1650, butterchurn wrote:I don't find that bnuuy's latest posts are out of the range of what I would expect them to do if they were scum here. The wagon feels like it fell apart a little quickly. Maybe just because I was raised in the mafia of an earlier time, but I tend to have more inertia than is typical on this site these days. It takes me longer to turn towards scumreading or voting someone, and once I do, it takes me longer to turn away. These sorts of speed wagons rising up and falling away are not really something that's familiar to me. It feels closer to chat mafia at times. Which is not always a bad thing, but it may mean that I should be relying a bit more on gut reads. I agree with Menalque, though, that there's no point in wagoning for pressure if the pressure drops away at the slightest hint of a towny response. This makes me feel like some of the people riding the wave of the wagon didn't genuinely want it to go through, and were just waiting for an excuse to jump back off.
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I think Menalque just lives in Catboi's pocket, and did what he could to get pressure off of catboi. I think Menalque jumped in by themselves, for the most part.In post 1655, MonkeyMan576 wrote:I think the wagon was super scummy. Makes bnuuy lock town and catboi or wallflower likely scum.In post 1650, butterchurn wrote:I don't find that bnuuy's latest posts are out of the range of what I would expect them to do if they were scum here. The wagon feels like it fell apart a little quickly. Maybe just because I was raised in the mafia of an earlier time, but I tend to have more inertia than is typical on this site these days. It takes me longer to turn towards scumreading or voting someone, and once I do, it takes me longer to turn away. These sorts of speed wagons rising up and falling away are not really something that's familiar to me. It feels closer to chat mafia at times. Which is not always a bad thing, but it may mean that I should be relying a bit more on gut reads. I agree with Menalque, though, that there's no point in wagoning for pressure if the pressure drops away at the slightest hint of a towny response. This makes me feel like some of the people riding the wave of the wagon didn't genuinely want it to go through, and were just waiting for an excuse to jump back off.
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”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
In post 1639, Well Done wrote:The original game was a 22 player game, split 3:3:1:15In post 1498, catboi wrote:Where are you getting this from? First game had 7 scum in it with a similar number of players.In post 1489, Klick wrote:I have to remind myself that this game has 9 (!) scum in it, and therefore there is going to be a lot of nonsense on any given page
This run of the game is a 23 player game, split 4:4:1:14
Which is a hell of a swing from Ceph to compensate for the stomp of last game. Both scum teams gained +1 scum and we lost -1 town.
Says they have gated nightkills though? That limits the power a bit.
Actually, mastina's beloved princess role makes a lot more sense with those rules - normally the beloved princess role sucks because it essentially grants mafia an extra free nightkill. But if it's here, that doesn't happen, even if they kill twice the night night they won't be able to. Design-wise that makes a lot more sense and means the role isn't completely implausible.
Menalque's see my towngame and my scumgame, and this isn't my scumgame.In post 1657, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think Menalque just lives in Catboi's pocket, and did what he could to get pressure off of catboi. I think Menalque jumped in by themselves, for the most part.In post 1655, MonkeyMan576 wrote:I think the wagon was super scummy. Makes bnuuy lock town and catboi or wallflower likely scum.In post 1650, butterchurn wrote:I don't find that bnuuy's latest posts are out of the range of what I would expect them to do if they were scum here. The wagon feels like it fell apart a little quickly. Maybe just because I was raised in the mafia of an earlier time, but I tend to have more inertia than is typical on this site these days. It takes me longer to turn towards scumreading or voting someone, and once I do, it takes me longer to turn away. These sorts of speed wagons rising up and falling away are not really something that's familiar to me. It feels closer to chat mafia at times. Which is not always a bad thing, but it may mean that I should be relying a bit more on gut reads. I agree with Menalque, though, that there's no point in wagoning for pressure if the pressure drops away at the slightest hint of a towny response. This makes me feel like some of the people riding the wave of the wagon didn't genuinely want it to go through, and were just waiting for an excuse to jump back off.
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In post 1659, catboi wrote:Menalque's see my towngame and my scumgame, and this isn't my scumgame.In post 1657, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think Menalque just lives in Catboi's pocket, and did what he could to get pressure off of catboi. I think Menalque jumped in by themselves, for the most part.In post 1655, MonkeyMan576 wrote:I think the wagon was super scummy. Makes bnuuy lock town and catboi or wallflower likely scum.In post 1650, butterchurn wrote:I don't find that bnuuy's latest posts are out of the range of what I would expect them to do if they were scum here. The wagon feels like it fell apart a little quickly. Maybe just because I was raised in the mafia of an earlier time, but I tend to have more inertia than is typical on this site these days. It takes me longer to turn towards scumreading or voting someone, and once I do, it takes me longer to turn away. These sorts of speed wagons rising up and falling away are not really something that's familiar to me. It feels closer to chat mafia at times. Which is not always a bad thing, but it may mean that I should be relying a bit more on gut reads. I agree with Menalque, though, that there's no point in wagoning for pressure if the pressure drops away at the slightest hint of a towny response. This makes me feel like some of the people riding the wave of the wagon didn't genuinely want it to go through, and were just waiting for an excuse to jump back off.
how many times has he caught scum you?
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”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
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how many times has he town read scum you?
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”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
I for one have no idea who you are. If Dunn does, he has not shared it with meIn post 1619, bnuuy wrote:I wanna see their take on meIn post 1339, Nashville Dreams wrote:Well Done has majorly fell off.
That’s one of very few slots that should know who I am already
Hmm.In post 1208, catboi wrote:Spoiler:
Does it look like this person actually cares about trying to solve the game? half her poosts are throwaway filler responses to other people, she's just riding off other people's reads, there's no evidence to show she has any thoughts on the game that are her own.
This kinda makes me townread catboi.
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Like you wouldn't say that as scum.In post 1660, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 1659, catboi wrote:Menalque's see my towngame and my scumgame, and this isn't my scumgame.In post 1657, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think Menalque just lives in Catboi's pocket, and did what he could to get pressure off of catboi. I think Menalque jumped in by themselves, for the most part.In post 1655, MonkeyMan576 wrote:I think the wagon was super scummy. Makes bnuuy lock town and catboi or wallflower likely scum.In post 1650, butterchurn wrote:I don't find that bnuuy's latest posts are out of the range of what I would expect them to do if they were scum here. The wagon feels like it fell apart a little quickly. Maybe just because I was raised in the mafia of an earlier time, but I tend to have more inertia than is typical on this site these days. It takes me longer to turn towards scumreading or voting someone, and once I do, it takes me longer to turn away. These sorts of speed wagons rising up and falling away are not really something that's familiar to me. It feels closer to chat mafia at times. Which is not always a bad thing, but it may mean that I should be relying a bit more on gut reads. I agree with Menalque, though, that there's no point in wagoning for pressure if the pressure drops away at the slightest hint of a towny response. This makes me feel like some of the people riding the wave of the wagon didn't genuinely want it to go through, and were just waiting for an excuse to jump back off.
how many times has he caught scum you?
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In post 1663, Klick wrote:Hmm.In post 1208, catboi wrote:Spoiler:
Does it look like this person actually cares about trying to solve the game? half her poosts are throwaway filler responses to other people, she's just riding off other people's reads, there's no evidence to show she has any thoughts on the game that are her own.
This kinda makes me townread catboi.
this is one of the posts I scum read the most. They went after WallFlower because it was the best one on their wagon to make a case against.
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"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
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The fourth that you mentioned earlier is Malcolm. I'm not really sure if I belong in that group, from my perspective at least, but I guess I can see how you would put me in there. I for the most part found your reasoning on catboi to be fairly compelling, my hesitancy comes from the fact that by my own read of his posts, he looks town. For some background, in my previous game with him, I thought he was town for a while, and then got very paranoid when it came to ELO and nearly voted him, but eventually came back around to be convinced that he was town. It's a very different context since this is a 23 player game and that was a 9 player Newbie, but I do think it's believable that Tracer, as catboi suggested, could have had some of that same paranoia. I don't know if yours quite qualifies, but a few of your posts, like 1283, do have a bit of that feeling, like you're trying to find reasons for why he could be suspicious because you're worried about the possibility. But then... some of the reasons do seem valid. I don't know.In post 1643, Flavor Leaf wrote:Nah, I'd actually say the majority of them are town, or at least not aligned with Cat, but I don't think all of them are town.In post 1640, MonkeyMan576 wrote:You are scum reading them?In post 1636, Flavor Leaf wrote:Catboi Cover Crew:
Menalque
Butterchurn
Nashville
i feel like there was one more....
One is probably a Catboi partner, but I do need to find the fourth one that I'm forgetting.
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im more calling out the type of meta and assurance in Menalque Catboi's using when they're omitting other aspects to go in their favor.In post 1664, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Like you wouldn't say that as scum.In post 1660, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 1659, catboi wrote:Menalque's see my towngame and my scumgame, and this isn't my scumgame.In post 1657, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think Menalque just lives in Catboi's pocket, and did what he could to get pressure off of catboi. I think Menalque jumped in by themselves, for the most part.In post 1655, MonkeyMan576 wrote:I think the wagon was super scummy. Makes bnuuy lock town and catboi or wallflower likely scum.In post 1650, butterchurn wrote:I don't find that bnuuy's latest posts are out of the range of what I would expect them to do if they were scum here. The wagon feels like it fell apart a little quickly. Maybe just because I was raised in the mafia of an earlier time, but I tend to have more inertia than is typical on this site these days. It takes me longer to turn towards scumreading or voting someone, and once I do, it takes me longer to turn away. These sorts of speed wagons rising up and falling away are not really something that's familiar to me. It feels closer to chat mafia at times. Which is not always a bad thing, but it may mean that I should be relying a bit more on gut reads. I agree with Menalque, though, that there's no point in wagoning for pressure if the pressure drops away at the slightest hint of a towny response. This makes me feel like some of the people riding the wave of the wagon didn't genuinely want it to go through, and were just waiting for an excuse to jump back off.
how many times has he caught scum you?
That line has come directly out of my mouth before as scum who's got a townie in their pocket.
Defense against that? ^ "We're not the same."
sure, doesn't mean that there aren't some general scum defenses, it's about how the tool is used that can be different there.
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”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
To expand: I think catboi is scumhunting generally in 1208, using tactics that specifically don't work because this game is multiball. Catboi doesn't seem fully conscious of the fact that scum are trying to scumhunt in this game, and that's consistent with his lack of care to other aspects of the setup. I think this is a really weird mindset for catboi!scum to be in.
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In post 1666, MonkeyMan576 wrote:It's possible cat and flower are scum.l
Yeah, I did talk about the potential of a MvW scenario.
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”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
He hard guiltied me in one of the games I lost last year, I would've been primed to go the distance if he hadn't re-evaluated on me. I took a gamble that he wouldn't investigate me and lost. Was scum with me in my last game where I basically sobbed and AtE'd my way out of pressure all game.In post 1660, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 1659, catboi wrote:Menalque's see my towngame and my scumgame, and this isn't my scumgame.In post 1657, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think Menalque just lives in Catboi's pocket, and did what he could to get pressure off of catboi. I think Menalque jumped in by themselves, for the most part.In post 1655, MonkeyMan576 wrote:I think the wagon was super scummy. Makes bnuuy lock town and catboi or wallflower likely scum.In post 1650, butterchurn wrote:I don't find that bnuuy's latest posts are out of the range of what I would expect them to do if they were scum here. The wagon feels like it fell apart a little quickly. Maybe just because I was raised in the mafia of an earlier time, but I tend to have more inertia than is typical on this site these days. It takes me longer to turn towards scumreading or voting someone, and once I do, it takes me longer to turn away. These sorts of speed wagons rising up and falling away are not really something that's familiar to me. It feels closer to chat mafia at times. Which is not always a bad thing, but it may mean that I should be relying a bit more on gut reads. I agree with Menalque, though, that there's no point in wagoning for pressure if the pressure drops away at the slightest hint of a towny response. This makes me feel like some of the people riding the wave of the wagon didn't genuinely want it to go through, and were just waiting for an excuse to jump back off.
how many times has he caught scum you?
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i think it's a mindset they're in because they're scum.In post 1669, Klick wrote:To expand: I think catboi is scumhunting generally in 1208, using tactics that specifically don't work because this game is multiball. Catboi doesn't seem fully conscious of the fact that scum are trying to scumhunt in this game, and that's consistent with his lack of care to other aspects of the setup. I think this is a really weird mindset for catboi!scum to be in.
Catboi town would be more conscious of it.
Klick, if you're coming from a town perspective here, you're very aware of that tactic and whatnot, correct?
That's the difference here.
Catboi is not coming from that town pov here.
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”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
I think that that might be catboi's scummiest postIn post 1663, Klick wrote:Hmm.In post 1208, catboi wrote:Spoiler:
Does it look like this person actually cares about trying to solve the game? half her poosts are throwaway filler responses to other people, she's just riding off other people's reads, there's no evidence to show she has any thoughts on the game that are her own.
This kinda makes me townread catboi.
huh.In post 1665, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 1663, Klick wrote:Hmm.In post 1208, catboi wrote:Spoiler:
Does it look like this person actually cares about trying to solve the game? half her poosts are throwaway filler responses to other people, she's just riding off other people's reads, there's no evidence to show she has any thoughts on the game that are her own.
This kinda makes me townread catboi.
this is one of the posts I scum read the most. They went after WallFlower because it was the best one on their wagon to make a case against.
same thought