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@leaf not the case
your entire mindset here doesn't feel like what I'd expect town's mindset to be. Your post about "saving townies" earlier felt sus af because there's a degree of extrinsic motivation to it. You're not doing it because it's the right thing to do, but for some reward. Also, I feel like your focus should be finding scum vs. saving town.“Merely by existing, we hurt each other.
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I understand. We have a clash in philosophy.In post 1700, bnuuy wrote:@leaf not the case
your entire mindset here doesn't feel like what I'd expect town's mindset to be. Your post about "saving townies" earlier felt sus af because there's a degree of extrinsic motivation to it. You're not doing it because it's the right thing to do, but for some reward. Also, I feel like your focus should be finding scum vs. saving town.
I disagree.
Day 1 I always find saving town more beneficial, and you can see that I play that way in past games, if meta is your thing.
I have a very different MaFilosophy than most people, I understand, but I have been focused on finding scum as well, and if you look at the way I play the game, it's very gamestate based, and finding these townies are the very reason I can find scum.
I also don't 100% believe all of my town reads to be correct, so by actively stating the town read on them, it lets me the see how the gamestate evolves with that in mind.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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I actually agree with bnuuy here, I'm not a fan of "if X person flips town we go after Y person" type reasoning since it feels very exploitable by scumIn post 1698, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Bunny, I saved your wagon.In post 1696, bnuuy wrote:
yeah nope I don't like thisIn post 1544, Flavor Leaf wrote:Menalque can take the brunt and blame here if Bnuuy's town.
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Sure it is, I'm more just nudging at Menalque more than anything.In post 1703, cassowary wrote:
I actually agree with bnuuy here, I'm not a fan of "if X person flips town we go after Y person" type reasoning since it feels very exploitable by scumIn post 1698, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Bunny, I saved your wagon.In post 1696, bnuuy wrote:
yeah nope I don't like thisIn post 1544, Flavor Leaf wrote:Menalque can take the brunt and blame here if Bnuuy's town.
You just dont like my ego, and I understand. I get it, that one's on me.
I've called Menalque town multiple times this game.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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It's already been mentioned, but this progression makes no sense:
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I still don't get why Catboi is pinging you, especially given the wagon states.In post 1233, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’m gonna have to think over my thoughts on Catboi.
On one hand, they are definitely a smooth talker, but they’re pinging me like crazy, especially that big post.
They’re saying a lot of things that are like…true, good statements, but not necessarily townie statements.
I also don’t personally like the Wallflower push because I think myself, Norwegian, and Mega are the worst ones on the wagon, but Wallflower has the most to go against and likely the least pushback.
I also see Wallflower as super townie, even if Catboi isn’t scum.In post 1326, Nashville Dreams wrote:
I'm stating it now. Catboi is telling honest truths, scumhunting and they keep being resurrected as wagons to scummy people.In post 1246, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I was saying this as a joke before, but when I look back on it, and the way people react towards Catboi, this is exactly what I feel they were doing.In post 355, Flavor Leaf wrote:
stop pocketIn post 354, catboi wrote:
It'd be more concerning if Flavor Leaf was pinging town right now.In post 338, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Well Flavor leaf is not pinging town, and they aren't town reading each other evidently.
In addition to me pointing out why it would be beneficial for them to be in the spotlight for at the time they were, they have key figures defending them without even being able to reason why they are defending them.
Like Menalque and Nashville. And Cat Scratch also said it was lazy.
Which is interesting to me, because it’s being cut down.In post 1328, Nashville Dreams wrote:
This just feels like you tunneling on Catboi by discrediting people who defend him as pocketed or reasonless rather than reevaluating your own position.In post 1256, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I think Catboi started the pocket on Menalque from RVS, and went with it more than 'planned' it.In post 1091, Flavor Leaf wrote:@Menalque - Do you think there's a chance you're pocketed by Catboi? I went back and checked some things, and their first post in the game was an RVS vote towards you.
The fact you are town reading them so strongly for reasons I'm not sure why, not that I'm confident in Catboi scum by any means, but their first post acknowledged you, which is a direct way to interact with another player, and that can easily lend to trust for being acknowledged.
The final post does not follow at all from the previous ones. I'm fairly sure this isn't a hydra head issue, as based on context it appears that all of these posts were made by Titus. Nashville Dreams originally was talking about how all the wagons springing up were counters to MonkeyMan... it took me a while to find the post, since it was made by Titus on the wrong account and thus doesn't show up in the Nashville Dreams ISO, but it's here:In post 1684, Nashville Dreams wrote:
I will but I feel that it's another counter to catboi. That makes me think town before reading.In post 1676, MonkeyMan576 wrote:
You showed up late. You need to look at that bnuuy wagon.In post 1675, Nashville Dreams wrote:I'm starting to feel ill so I must question my reads from this morning.
Can someone briefly give me points where they feel I'm wrong besides catboi is too town to be town?
~Titus
However, I am open to being wrong. It's also getting to the point where there are so many counters that catboi may need to be eliminated as catboi couldn't live until elo.
~Titus
I really feel that the only explanation here is that Titus forgot which player she was claiming the counterwagons were for, or somehow got the names mixed up. The latter seems very unlikely, the former is possible as town, I suppose, but feels much more likely to happen as scum.In post 1312, Titus wrote:I'm seeing a bunch of counterwagons spring up to MonkeyMan576 and I am not a fan.- Flavor Leaf
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Noting Catboi's town read on Casso followed by the pressure of Casso onto me for ISO.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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being something that is exploitable as scum does not make it scum, though.In post 1703, cassowary wrote:reasoning since it feels very exploitable by scumCHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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In post 1704, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Sure it is, I'm more just nudging at Menalque more than anything.In post 1703, cassowary wrote:
I actually agree with bnuuy here, I'm not a fan of "if X person flips town we go after Y person" type reasoning since it feels very exploitable by scumIn post 1698, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Bunny, I saved your wagon.In post 1696, bnuuy wrote:
yeah nope I don't like thisIn post 1544, Flavor Leaf wrote:Menalque can take the brunt and blame here if Bnuuy's town.
You just dont like my ego, and I understand. I get it, that one's on me.
I've called Menalque town multiple times this game.In post 1706, Flavor Leaf wrote:Noting Catboi's town read on Casso followed by the pressure of Casso onto me for ISO.
I mean, you may have a point, but ngl, this feels like a lot of Response™ given the actual substance of what I posted.In post 1707, Flavor Leaf wrote:
being something that is exploitable as scum does not make it scum, though.In post 1703, cassowary wrote:reasoning since it feels very exploitable by scum"i can't relate to this world, i'm not bored enough"- Flavor Leaf
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sure, but it's not something i dont think isn't capable of scum, it's very possible you're town. im just more noting Catboi's action, not yours.
Because I didnt get that ping from your post, i didnt get the scum ping either.
But i did expect there to be someone to start coming towards me based on ScumCatboi's choice towards me.
So I've been waiting for someone like you, which is why it was important to me to note.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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so now it's me needing to decide if i think youre town who stumbled onto me, or scum with a purpose.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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We have discussed this among ourselves and come to the conclusion that we don't know what you are talking about.In post 1619, bnuuy wrote:
I wanna see their take on meIn post 1339, Nashville Dreams wrote:Well Done has majorly fell off.
That’s one of very few slots that should know who I am already- Flavor Leaf
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hmm...In post 1715, Well Done wrote:
We have discussed this among ourselves and come to the conclusion that we don't know what you are talking about.In post 1619, bnuuy wrote:
I wanna see their take on meIn post 1339, Nashville Dreams wrote:Well Done has majorly fell off.
That’s one of very few slots that should know who I am alreadyCHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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Also maybe I'm an idiot (ok, ok. . . I'm definitely an idiot) but I've read this post like 5 times and I can't make sense of what it means. Can you rephrase this in different words?In post 1709, Flavor Leaf wrote:sure, but it's not something i dont think isn't capable of scum, it's very possible you're town. im just more noting Catboi's action, not yours.
Because I didnt get that ping from your post, i didnt get the scum ping either.
But i did expect there to be someone to start coming towards me based on ScumCatboi's choice towards me.
So I've been waiting for someone like you, which is why it was important to me to note.
It's not something you don't think scum isn't capable of => it's something you think scum isn't capable of? or... it's not something you thinkonlyscum are capable of? or, what? Also what does "it" refer to? Agreeing with bnuuy? What does catboi have to do with this other than having said earlier that a different post of mine looked townie? I'm confused :|"i can't relate to this world, i'm not bored enough"- Well Done
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You're free to explain it for us if you've got something to sayIn post 1716, Flavor Leaf wrote:
hmm...In post 1715, Well Done wrote:
We have discussed this among ourselves and come to the conclusion that we don't know what you are talking about.In post 1619, bnuuy wrote:
I wanna see their take on meIn post 1339, Nashville Dreams wrote:Well Done has majorly fell off.
That’s one of very few slots that should know who I am already- Flavor Leaf
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it's more about Catboi than you, because I expected some interest or pushing towards me by a Catboi partner.In post 1717, cassowary wrote:
Also maybe I'm an idiot (ok, ok. . . I'm definitely an idiot) but I've read this post like 5 times and I can't make sense of what it means. Can you rephrase this in different words?In post 1709, Flavor Leaf wrote:sure, but it's not something i dont think isn't capable of scum, it's very possible you're town. im just more noting Catboi's action, not yours.
Because I didnt get that ping from your post, i didnt get the scum ping either.
But i did expect there to be someone to start coming towards me based on ScumCatboi's choice towards me.
So I've been waiting for someone like you, which is why it was important to me to note.
It's not something you don't think scum isn't capable of => it's something you think scum isn't capable of? or... it's not something you thinkonlyscum are capable of? or, what? Also what does "it" refer to? Agreeing with bnuuy? What does catboi have to do with this other than having said earlier that a different post of mine looked townie? I'm confused
So the fact Catboi town read you, then the small pushing onto me piggybacking on Bnuuy's posts is what gave me pause.
The post itself that Catboi town read you for didnt ping me either way.
If you're town, yes, you just came across this all naturally. if you're scum, you did it with intent.
It's too early for me to tell which is which.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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i was half teasing you since you made a hmm post earlier, and half trying to show that i think that is a little bit off by Bnuuy.In post 1718, Well Done wrote:
You're free to explain it for us if you've got something to sayIn post 1716, Flavor Leaf wrote:
hmm...In post 1715, Well Done wrote:
We have discussed this among ourselves and come to the conclusion that we don't know what you are talking about.In post 1619, bnuuy wrote:
I wanna see their take on meIn post 1339, Nashville Dreams wrote:Well Done has majorly fell off.
That’s one of very few slots that should know who I am alreadyCHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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ahh, ok, thanks, that makes senseIn post 1719, Flavor Leaf wrote:
it's more about Catboi than you, because I expected some interest or pushing towards me by a Catboi partner.In post 1717, cassowary wrote:
Also maybe I'm an idiot (ok, ok. . . I'm definitely an idiot) but I've read this post like 5 times and I can't make sense of what it means. Can you rephrase this in different words?In post 1709, Flavor Leaf wrote:sure, but it's not something i dont think isn't capable of scum, it's very possible you're town. im just more noting Catboi's action, not yours.
Because I didnt get that ping from your post, i didnt get the scum ping either.
But i did expect there to be someone to start coming towards me based on ScumCatboi's choice towards me.
So I've been waiting for someone like you, which is why it was important to me to note.
It's not something you don't think scum isn't capable of => it's something you think scum isn't capable of? or... it's not something you thinkonlyscum are capable of? or, what? Also what does "it" refer to? Agreeing with bnuuy? What does catboi have to do with this other than having said earlier that a different post of mine looked townie? I'm confused
So the fact Catboi town read you, then the small pushing onto me piggybacking on Bnuuy's posts is what gave me pause.
The post itself that Catboi town read you for didnt ping me either way.
If you're town, yes, you just came across this all naturally. if you're scum, you did it with intent.
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Surprised about thisIn post 1715, Well Done wrote:
We have discussed this among ourselves and come to the conclusion that we don't know what you are talking about.In post 1619, bnuuy wrote:
I wanna see their take on meIn post 1339, Nashville Dreams wrote:Well Done has majorly fell off.
That’s one of very few slots that should know who I am already
I definitely made a post on my main in a game both of you were in saying this was me
Also if you do figure it out pls don’t reveal it to the class, I’m reserving that for myself“Merely by existing, we hurt each other.
But it’s not always intentional.”
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