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[MathBlade]

I will respond to your other questions when I don’t want to throw my phone across the room but the jist is some people read players and others read gamestate and others read relationships. I am more the latter so any stilted relationship flags for me

[JacksonVirgo]

I get that Scorpious/Jackson going for Koopa may have seemed weird but it'd have so illogical and baffling for two mafia to both go on the same role-claimed player bandwagon.

To clarify, I did that to make them look worse so they don't get shot rather than me particularly thinking they were scum but that also merged with my visceral repulsion of their play-style.

I am referring to here btw by intentionally scummy and you admitted it btw

That is not claiming to be intentionally scummy nor is it at all. I was intentionally faking my read on them for the benefit of the town, nowhere did I claim it was scummy to do so.

[JacksonVirgo]

I will respond to your other questions when I don’t want to throw my phone across the room but the jist is some people read players and others read gamestate and others read relationships. I am more the latter so any stilted relationship flags for me

I'm more of the gamestate per se.

[MathBlade]

I get that Scorpious/Jackson going for Koopa may have seemed weird but it'd have so illogical and baffling for two mafia to both go on the same role-claimed player bandwagon.

To clarify, I did that to make them look worse so they don't get shot rather than me particularly thinking they were scum but that also merged with my visceral repulsion of their play-style.

I am referring to here btw by intentionally scummy and you admitted it btw

That is not claiming to be intentionally scummy nor is it at all. I was intentionally faking my read on them for the benefit of the town, nowhere did I claim it was scummy to do so.

Intentionally faking reads = scummy.

[humaneatingmonkey]

im not yet back, still busy. proejct extended. i understand i promised, but what can i do.

this is wtf

Prodding humaneatingmonkey and ItalianoVD

Dang I didn't even know I was gone that long.

Prodding humaneatingmonkey and ItalianoVD

Also, don't read into this. It's coincidental.

i think there's an effort from italiano to tie us together

[Roden]

I will respond to your other questions when I don’t want to throw my phone across the room but the jist is some people read players and others read gamestate and others read relationships. I am more the latter so any stilted relationship flags for me

I'm more of the gamestate per se.

What's your take on the current game state? The lull in activity feels off to me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i also notice the game slowed down after i asked to leave

if the theory is scum was intentionally muddying the waters day 1, this means scum momentum died D3 because i'm the lined up miselim and they're struggling to find another target

[JacksonVirgo]

I get that Scorpious/Jackson going for Koopa may have seemed weird but it'd have so illogical and baffling for two mafia to both go on the same role-claimed player bandwagon.

To clarify, I did that to make them look worse so they don't get shot rather than me particularly thinking they were scum but that also merged with my visceral repulsion of their play-style.

I am referring to here btw by intentionally scummy and you admitted it btw

That is not claiming to be intentionally scummy nor is it at all. I was intentionally faking my read on them for the benefit of the town, nowhere did I claim it was scummy to do so.

Intentionally faking reads = scummy.

Incorrect. Nor did I say this

[MathBlade]

You said you intentionally faked a read.

By definition that’s scummy.

Are we reading the same things here?

[humaneatingmonkey]

so i think scum will be at the side of those still trying to still get me elimmed

which gives me confidence that Roden is town here for defending me in my absence

[humaneatingmonkey]

i understand im PoE here, but i also struggle to see why GE would say I'm scum for finding Malakittens scummy. Does he have a clear that we don't know about? I struggle to see why anyone would look at Malakittens play here and lock her as town to the depths of pushing people who found her scummy.

[JacksonVirgo]

I will respond to your other questions when I don’t want to throw my phone across the room but the jist is some people read players and others read gamestate and others read relationships. I am more the latter so any stilted relationship flags for me

I'm more of the gamestate per se.

What's your take on the current game state? The lull in activity feels off to me.

You said you intentionally faked a read.

By definition that’s scummy.

Are we reading the same things here?

It isn't what I would call scummy. If I faked a read without a reason it would be, intentions are a better source of reading how scummy an action is rather than the direct actions. I am not against town lying either, I based my playstyle around fake-claiming as Town for Town's benefit in a forum that played more PR-focused games.

[MathBlade]

Jackson: “To clarify, I did that
[faked a scumread on Koopa] to make them look worse so they don't get shot rather than me particularly thinking they [Koopa] were scum but that also merged with my visceral repulsion of their play-style.”

Like?? [] are me adding context from a prior quote.

[JacksonVirgo]

I will respond to your other questions when I don’t want to throw my phone across the room but the jist is some people read players and others read gamestate and others read relationships. I am more the latter so any stilted relationship flags for me

I'm more of the gamestate per se.

What's your take on the current game state? The lull in activity feels off to me.

I was mainly waiting on HEM to catch up or the day to get closer to the end to add my thoughts to it.

[JacksonVirgo]

Jackson: “To clarify, I did that
[faked a scumread on Koopa] to make them look worse so they don't get shot rather than me particularly thinking they [Koopa] were scum but that also merged with my visceral repulsion of their play-style.”

Like?? [] are me adding context from a prior quote.

So not wanting a PR claim to die is scummy?

[JacksonVirgo]

so i think scum will be at the side of those still trying to still get me elimmed

which gives me confidence that Roden is town here for defending me in my absence

I already concluded they were :p

[MathBlade]

Like ..I don’t get it. Town can have good reasons to be scummy but not calling it scummy is gaslighty AF.

[JacksonVirgo]

Like ..I don’t get it. Town can have good reasons to be scummy but not calling it scummy is gaslighty AF.

We have conflicting beliefs as to what is scummy, leave it at that.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i've been thinking about JV's gambit over the past days and the crumbs he laid out for us. his crumbs came before any gunsmith role was claimed. i think it's real. if scum was informed, this would be nullified but i think this is just town.

[MathBlade]

Jackson: “To clarify, I did that
[faked a scumread on Koopa] to make them look worse so they don't get shot rather than me particularly thinking they [Koopa] were scum but that also merged with my visceral repulsion of their play-style.”

Like?? [] are me adding context from a prior quote.

So not wanting a PR claim to die is scummy?

Of course not.

How you went about it was scummy though as it denies us the chance to read you as I have to figure out what is fake versus real. And if I find something is it “oh I had a good reason” every time?

[MathBlade]

I am going to step away because I am very tempted to tunnel JV over objections here. Like JV feels really slimy.

[JacksonVirgo]

i've been thinking about JV's gambit over the past days and the crumbs he laid out for us. his crumbs came before any gunsmith role was claimed. i think it's real. if scum was informed, this would be nullified but i think this is just town.

To add to it I thought that they knew there were no masons because they were a Vigilante and that'd be too OP. I softed backup prior to them claiming GS but I added the Vigilante and the false-guilty softs when quoting the post and afterwards.

Thought it the perfect place to signal koopa if they were fake-claiming GS as vigilante as well.

[JacksonVirgo]

I am going to step away because I am very tempted to tunnel JV over objections here. Like JV feels really slimy.

Yep, because you're being foolish or just scum like I said earlier. You never responded to that you know how I play as scum, this is vastly opposed to that yet you're still acting the way you are. If it's a paranoia read just because I am strong as scum, just say that instead of making up all this bullshit just to tunnel me.

[JacksonVirgo]

I also hammered right as I called andres out for claiming the vigi because I was paranoid I slipped what I was in case they fake-claimed it (which I believed almost whole-heartedly), wanted to avoid being known as that and if they were Vigilante I woulda just shot NK.

[JacksonVirgo]

Jackson: “To clarify, I did that
[faked a scumread on Koopa] to make them look worse so they don't get shot rather than me particularly thinking they [Koopa] were scum but that also merged with my visceral repulsion of their play-style.”

Like?? [] are me adding context from a prior quote.

So not wanting a PR claim to die is scummy?

Of course not.

How you went about it was scummy though as it denies us the chance to read you as I have to figure out what is fake versus real. And if I find something is it “oh I had a good reason” every time?

What the heck are you on about? You can't read me just because I put some heat onto koopa? You'd rather me not do a single thing to protect an outted investigative? And your reasoning that you cannot believe me since I'll just back out, read me on each basis not in fear that I will do it in the future when you have no way to know if I will or not. Your entire case on me is foolish