KTaNE [game over!]

[Bell]

I forgot GL.

[Bell]

Minor negative points to scum GL tho.

[Dwlee99]

Enchant is probably town lol

[Bell]

Sure okay. Let’s kill pooky and if he doesn’t flip scum then we can kill mena.

Deal?

[Menalque]

Enchant is probably town lol

[Menalque]

Enchant is probably town lol

[Dwlee99]

I miss Bernie

[GuiltyLion]

ok Menalque I read through your spoilered case and I gotta say it's legit

I totally forgot about that outta-nowhere fit that Pooky threw about how he believed Dwlee was going to make him defuser and blow him up that way, at the time that felt way exaggerated and contrived

I still don't like Andante completely 180'd on Dwlee to push VPB instead by pretending she had a result, but I guess maybe that's not as indicative as I think it is since no one else seems to be interested in it.

You make a really good point about how VPB was trying to push misty over himself so he could claim the Andres bomb was rigged and I think you highlighting where Pooky may have been aiming for that as well is fairly convincing

I still wanna reread and still haven't yet, gonna do a bit of that now

[GuiltyLion]

not sure if anyone is still seriously pushing Mena but Mena/MorningTweet feel quite unaligned in their back and forth on the first 7 pages

VP Baltar's 166 also makes me think town!Mena - it's rare you see scum ask scum to explain read on another scum, very janky angle for conversation it puts pressure on the ask-ee to continue to post a plausible anti-associative read on their partner

[GuiltyLion]

Like i think it's very likely that scum rigged andante's group to blow up to chain miselims in that group

Which makes andante likely town in my eyes

oh also I was thinking about this and my first reaction was that we don't actually know that scum rigged the catboi bomb, but then I realized it's the most logical guess/explanation because they clearly didn't rig any other bombs and that's an ability you want to use as early as possible, if they didn't rig catboi then they straight up wasted the ability. so yeah I guess this is actually the best point for town!Andante I think

[GuiltyLion]

kinda doubting Andante gives reads on all three buddies in town/scum sections in 380 when she has half the rest of the game in a null/unsorted pile

[Cat Scratch Fever]

not sure if anyone is still seriously pushing Mena but Mena/MorningTweet feel quite unaligned in their back and forth on the first 7 pages

VP Baltar's 166 also makes me think town!Mena - it's rare you see scum ask scum to explain read on another scum, very janky angle for conversation it puts pressure on the ask-ee to continue to post a plausible anti-associative read on their partner

I kind of had the opposite reaction tbh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so according to mena

im scum cuz i caught vpb on d1 but no1 listened to me

i didnt solo blow vpb up in the n1 pt cuz literally everyone in the pt wanted him to live

and mena literally walked into the pt intent on saving vpb

so thats all my fault for listening to everyone else

also

according to him i shouldve pushed vpb on day 2

the day when everyone wanted to kill frogster

and

how does it even make sense for me to want to kill vpb on d2 when i literally just spared him on n1?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

cuz look how that whole lone ranger shit worked out for frogster when he decided to strike out on his own and listen to his own reads.

yup

frogster has to die cuz he wouldnt listen to everyone else

pooky has to die cuz he listened to the other 3 people in the pt

makes perfect sense

whatever u need to justify ur bad reads.

[Menalque]

If you want to argue against me then you may want to read the very large post under the spoiler in order to argue against what I’m actually saying

[Menalque]

I believe somebody once said

“The goal of scum is to not look like you are scum - it is to survive for another day.

[...]

It's about whether [their] emotional responses make sense for the situation [they’re] in.“

I think that pooky today has been all about trying to survive for another day while trying to act cool/emotional alternately to that end

There was the very dramatic but rather brief self-vote yesterday, followed by him saying he’d take a break from thread to chill out and that he hoped he’d be dead by the time he game back

But now that he’s actually becoming a viable lim with two people voting him and GL maybe coming round in that direction, he’s back early and his focus is still on discrediting me and trying to survive — it’s not about finding scum and nailing them to the fucking wall, which is what pooky as town would be doing, it’s all about saying or doing whatever he needs to do to not be eliminated

If he was town, he should feel that, even if we’re wrong on him, we have a pretty good shot at winning and the goal is to help town navigate to that (see: what I’ve been doing all day). But it’s not, it’s survival

Why?

[Andante]

kinda doubting Andante gives reads on all three buddies in town/scum sections in 380 when she has half the rest of the game in a null/unsorted pile

im kinda thinking andante is town, and has always been town here

[Andante]

if you think about it, maf has 0 incentive to blow anyone up at nights tbh, all that does is make them look not towny, and if they correctly solve, they "look towny" like, just a thought... scum is more concerned about how they look here, idk where I'm going with this, but I'm not clearing anyone off of night bombs

[Dwlee99]

HEAL: Pooky
HEAL: Titus
HEAL: Catboi
HEAL: Andante
HEAL: Frogster
HEAL: Greeting
HEAL: Praet

I am willing to be bribed for my last heal thing

What made you want to heal praet here?

[Dwlee99]

I volunteer to be the bomb defuser.

Is this directed at the scum team, or have you still not gotten a grasp on the set up? lol

Further evidence that the defuser thing isn't cut and dry, although I'm thinking we can actually get something out of these by noting when different people had this misconception

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: Scum discovering how setup worked

wait so we have to lim AND defuse a bomb???? For some reason (read: not reading closely) I thought the day play was just picking who defused the bomb.

i understand it's prolly not decided but are we trying to put town or scum in the defuser's seat

I appreciate the explanation Frog. although I couldn't come near trying to help with what is optimal

I can't tell what determines how many bomb experts there are, from the rules or the VCs. I would think you would want as few as possible as to narrow the pool if a defuse fails (and we wanted it to succeed anyway)

i think for now it might be ok to treat the bomb as an optional town directed kill, we do need to understand that mafia can choose the defuser while knowing the experts though and can potentially send someone they think is being misread by the experts

So basically, let's send four strong town reads as experts and they can decide whether to sabotage whoever is nommed as defuser.

but how do we get around this?

during the first 4 days, once someone has acted as a bomb expert, they are unable to be a bomb expert the next two nights, meaning they cannot be nominated.

Hi I'm not reading the first 7 pages

nom me for defuser ty
HEAL: the praetorian

also VOTE: catboi

mafia chooses the defuser each night. town votes to nominate the experts. there is no fully functional townkill because even if experts choose to detonate, they are only playing scum's wifom game.

Oh lol

I thought the system was eliminate + nominate defusers and experts

[Bell]

Huh? No I knew that scum got to pick defuser. I was directly asking the scum team.

[Bell]

Mostly to mess with them. But also to imply I was some sort of power role that worked only when defuser.
But also, because I was confident I could talk my way into being allowed to defuse and giving town a point.
Naturally, none of this worked.

[Dwlee99]

Oh I see

[Dwlee99]

I believe when I made 293 I just got the words defuser and expert jumbled in my head but knew what the setup was but I can't say that with complete certainty