Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Menalque]

Hey tictac, why are you voting catboi anyway?

[tictac]

whoa TB was pooky? I guess that doesn't surprise me given the typing style, but pooky felt mean this game Contrary to what other people have said, that actually feels a bit out of character given my experience with him

yea

[mastina]

Mastina, I would like for you to explain your reasoning behind your scumread on me.

Well your play screams "scum in multiball".

Your posts look like you're genuinely scumhunting, but not from a town alignment. Your reads and interactions seem like they don't match with being scumbuddies with about half of my scumreads, but look like an exact match for a scumbuddy for about the other half. (This isn't something I've more precisely mapped out tho I probably should. But mental math says about half of my scumreads work as scumbuddies together.)

A lot of your stances, reads, etc., look like you aren't town, with them being a little bit awkward, a little bit off, a little bit "lacking" something I would expect to see from a town player with those reads, but still putting in effort. The effort looks like it comes from scum trying rather than from town trying, in the same way I am scumreading Monkeyman for.

You're playing well, but your play looks like scum playing well rather than town playing well. It just has something missing from being pure town and instead looks "only half town"--as in, genuinely scumhunting, but also playing to a scum agenda with the reads not being 'pure'. Your reads look like they come from a perspective of having too much information involved in forming them and of not being entirely sincere/genuine, while still being largely sincere/genuine.

In other words: the exact profile I'd expect from a scum player in multiball.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can you give some posts as examples of Butterchurns half-solviness Mastina.

[tictac]

Tictac I believe voted Catboi with an 'Ahem', meaning something pinged them to get them there.

i wanted my question answered, so a light vote. didn't love the immediate omgus tho.
seems a pettern w him to omgus the most recent push/vote on him actually.
kinda funny since ur push makes him this mastermind.

[catboi]

The gears are turning in my head. I think I overreacted to Wallflower because I don't like being tunneled, especially not the way she went after me, but something as simple as the exchange about STD last night didn't ~feel~ like the route scum would take. Need a few hours to sit down and look at the playerlist and sort things through.

[mastina]

he's alrdy slipping that I'm right by saying i'm right by luck rather than skill
if you like actually read his comment and think about what it means lol

For the record I hard-agree with this sentiment on FL being scum for the reasons given, too.

(Also, I realize that there's a

lot

of pages to read and I won't be able to read them all tonight, unfortunately. But, I figure that the pages are commentary-worthy-lite, as in, they won't have much that I need to actually comment on, and even-lighter-changes-in-reads-containing, as in, the content won't affect my reads in any significant way by and large.

I still DO need to read it tho, just in case there's content within which

does

shift my reads. I just can't do it tonight because it's 5 am.)

[mastina]

Can you give some posts as examples of Butterchurns half-solviness Mastina.

Literally their entire iso?

Like, genuinely. Entire iso is this.

If you want me to prove this is not hyperbole I can quote examples of it but it genuinely will be basically every post I've read so far.

(Also, not tonight, I'm not caught up and need to go to bed.)

[catboi]

Scumreading butterchurn is unironically the towniest thing mastina has posted

[tictac]

seeeep3 well

thank u!
I did.

[mastina]

how are you even in a 1v1 with me.
I am pushing to lim Catboi
Your name is not Catboi.

(It's because Mena's town.)

LMAO never mind not so humbling

FL is many things, humble never among them.

Flavor Leaf is more interested in talking about how he's scum!god than actually catching scum in this game.
Therefore
Flavor Leaf is scum

This is valid!

flavor!town enthuiastically pushing people even when wrong.
flavor!?!?!?!?!? here doing nothing
I wonder what !?!?!?!?! is

I already had Tracer Bullet as strong town but the amount by which Tracer Bullet is saying what I want to about FL before I have said it automatically ups them to conftown.

[mastina]

the fact that he is somehow turning that into me insulting him
is a fucking joke and shows just how thinskinned he is

I would like to highlight the difference between Mena's reaction to the "insult" towards not being catboi level...
...And FL's reaction to the "insult".

One of their reactions was not the same as the other.

(Mena's reaction was hella town; FL's reaction hardspewed him scum.)

(I probably would explain this more if it wasn't 5:15 and I didn't have literally half the game left to read still, but, can elaborate on this when more up to date.)

(Stopping at bottom of 45 btw, will continue when possible. Tomorrow's probably booked and Sunday may or may not be busy but obviously I need to get caught up sooner rather than later so I'll do what I can when I can. I def need to get caught up before the end of my Monday tho.)

[catboi]

(Mena's reaction was hella town; FL's reaction hardspewed him scum.)

(I probably would explain this more if it wasn't 5:15 and I didn't have literally half the game left to read still, but, can elaborate on this when more up to date.)

Can't wait to hear this lmao

[The Keeper]

Wouldn’t it be funny if Mastina’s huge explanation of their usage of an system they cannot really describe in full because of hod complex it is, is just an fancy way of saying: "gut check"

I mean gut is always used in even the most logical of systems since no system has a "100% guaranteed" tell that will

always

indicate an alignment. If a tell is 75-25, you still have to use gut to determine if it's the 75 or the 25. Statistically speaking, it'll usually be the 75 because it wouldn't be 75-25 if the 75 wasn't more common than the 25, but statistically speaking, it still can be the 25 because it wouldn't be 75-25 if there wasn't a 25.

How do you have a scum lean on a slot that never even picked up their role PM?

momo will be replaced if they fail to pick up their role PM by tomorrow morning.

Momo didn't skip out on the game because they didn't like their role PM. They didn't even open it.

While this seems like a fair argument initially, it falls apart when you realize one simple fact.

You don't need to look at your

role PM

to know that you have drawn scum.

You can just

look at your private topics

and tell that you have drawn scum.

Tell me: how can Cephrir differentiate between "momo has not viewed the PM or the scum PT at all", and, "momo did not view the PM, viewed the scum PT, but just didn't post in the scum PT"?

The two are entirely inseparable to him. But the difference between the former and the latter is a difference in likely alignment for the slot.

And since momo flakes more often as scum and momo need not read his role PM to learn that he is scum, trying to clear yourself from momo having not read the role PM doesn't actually work. In fact, it's the opposite; it makes the slot

more

likely to be scum--not less.

So hands up who checks their Private Topics forum often without any particular reason.

[Sword of Ducks]

Sure.

VOTE: Nashville Dreams

now I don't trust you so much either bud

is there a reason for this?

why in the hell were they so eager to just listen to another person without a single grain of salt?

[MonkeyMan576]

The other possibility is Mastina is a jester because it seems like she wants to get night killed

[tictac]

Your point on mono is depressingly good though

wat? no.
momo might have used underhanded tactics and checked topics instead of the pm.
they also might not have.
toog also didn't attempt a clear. he said the replace should not be a reason to scumread.
mastinas argument does undermine toogs a bit, but does not nullify it.

[Sword of Ducks]

The other possibility is Mastina is a jester because it seems like she wants to get night killed

I thought that a jester's mission was to get voted off? Or are fool and jester different things?

[tictac]

Hey tictac, why are you voting catboi anyway?

inertia

[tictac]

whoa TB was pooky? I guess that doesn't surprise me given the typing style, but pooky felt mean this game Contrary to what other people have said, that actually feels a bit out of character given my experience with him

yea

more specifically, i felt TB vs leaf was an overdramatic and artificial argument about stuff that wasn't at all related to this game and not at all aimed at yeeting either of them.
in other words, it looked like svs to me, tho more strongly so from TB side of things.
VOTE: TB

[MonkeyMan576]

Jesters can be night killed and still win as per wiki.

[Sword of Ducks]

Jesters can be night killed and still win as per wiki.

Guess it's just a difference in terminology/interpretation then.

[Toogeloo]

Tell me: how can Cephrir differentiate between "momo has not viewed the PM or the scum PT at all", and, "momo did not view the PM, viewed the scum PT, but just didn't post in the scum PT"?

You realize you can tell if someone has looked at a PM you sent, right?

[Toogeloo]

So hands up who checks their Private Topics forum often without any particular reason.

How many people even know how to check which Private Topics they are members of without being sent an invite to them?

[The Keeper]

So hands up who checks their Private Topics forum often without any particular reason.

How many people even know how to check which Private Topics they are members of without being sent an invite to them?

You can do that?

I really am a Dim Bulb.