KTaNE [game over!]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

HEAL: Pooky
HEAL: Titus
HEAL: Catboi
HEAL: Andante
HEAL: Frogster
HEAL: Greeting
HEAL: Praet

I am willing to be bribed for my last heal thing

What made you want to heal praet here?

koba has a history of being good at using pts as town and being able to obvtown in them. they also said they really wanted to be an expert.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If you want to argue against me then you may want to read the very large post under the spoiler in order to argue against what I’m actually saying

I dont have the energy or time to write a rebuttal for every one of your points because its a giant wall of idiocy

also nobody is going to read a wall for wall response.

i read the first part and responded to them

if there are other things you find compelling i can respond to them one by one

using a laundry list is a sign that you dont actually have compelling reasoning just a lot of nonsense.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I believe somebody once said

“The goal of scum is to not look like you are scum - it is to survive for another day.

[...]

It's about whether [their] emotional responses make sense for the situation [they’re] in.“

I think that pooky today has been all about trying to survive for another day while trying to act cool/emotional alternately to that end

There was the very dramatic but rather brief self-vote yesterday, followed by him saying he’d take a break from thread to chill out and that he hoped he’d be dead by the time he game back

But now that he’s actually becoming a viable lim with two people voting him and GL maybe coming round in that direction, he’s back early and his focus is still on discrediting me and trying to survive — it’s not about finding scum and nailing them to the fucking wall, which is what pooky as town would be doing, it’s all about saying or doing whatever he needs to do to not be eliminated

If he was town, he should feel that, even if we’re wrong on him, we have a pretty good shot at winning and the goal is to help town navigate to that (see: what I’ve been doing all day). But it’s not, it’s survival

Why?

I am back early because i cooled off from being angry at you

but thanks for putting the wordt possible spin on it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

oh yes the "hes not finding scum" "hes trying to defend himself against me" attack

truly stellar reasoning

i guess i must be mafia for trying to defend myself then rofl

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like i literally said to you;

hey i would like to reread the whole game when i have time on my computer when i have time next week because right now I am on mobile only.

but keep going off on how im not scum hunting cuz i defended myself by refuting the first part of your "case"

i already regret coming back to talk to you. you just treat everything in such bad faith.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

everything i argued against is what you actually said in your case

you blame me for not blowing him up in the n1 pt

despite you coming jnto the n1 pt and demanding we defuse the bomb for him

despite not a single person voting vpb with me on d1 at the end vote count

despite everyone in the pt solving their bomb parts for him

yes i went along with consensus and just solved

but its WHAT YOU FUCKING TOLD ME TO DO

so why r u being such a hypocrite!?!?!?



you blame for not pushing vPB on d2

how the fuck does it make sense for me to push him on d2 when i just let him live on n1?

like this is just nonsense.

[Dwlee99]

Pooky I really need you to evaluate if you actually think Menalque is town with the way you're talking about his case

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think he is extremely tunneled town who thinks everything i do is scum indicative because confbias

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like when i see scum do cases they r usually good cases because scum need to make their case make sense

its usually townies who have completely garbage cases that dont make any sense but think they solved fermats last theorem

[Dwlee99]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13340977

This was a scum post in my last game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

that was a p good case tho

[Dwlee99]

I didn't read it tbh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

rofl

[Dwlee99]

Ugh anyway I think scum!menalque is absolutely required to do what he did with the reads on me/strange/baltar... Town him I am really struggling to understand how he literally flips his reads on three people into the exact perfect configuration for scum literally overnight.

And his read on Baltar N1 was townreading enough to pressure y'all to defuse apparently but again it changes to scumread into townread at the exact perfect time. I'm gonna pull up the quotes again

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like you see how theres faked nuance and thought and shit

its performative in the sense that hes trying to take you on a trip thru his view of the hood and make it look like he is guiding you thru his thought process. its also lvl one in that he is concluding the paranoia and curveballs are scum pocketing datisi rather than just how datisi/vpb always interact together - he should've at a baseline done meta research to see if their interactions are like this in the past.

his positioning is just unfortunate in that he has to push baltar there to save the game.

menas just putting up everything i did and claiming it proves im scum in a way thats completely nonsensical - cuz it makes sense to HIM because hes so confbiased that im scum that he thinks literally everything i do is scum indicative.

[Menalque]

oh yes the "hes not finding scum" "hes trying to defend himself against me" attack

truly stellar reasoning

i guess i must be mafia for trying to defend myself then rofl

It is not the fact that you’re trying to defend yourself against me

It is that you continue to have close to zero interest in finding scum and everything you are doing is aimed at defending yourself by engaging with me or what I’m saying

This is a stark contrast to town!pooky who is very interested and motivated to eliminate scum

I suspect that one cause of this difference is that you are in a position where pushing me and surviving long term has become increasingly untenable, and you do not have a good back up option to push

So instead you have to keep trying to say that whatever I’m saying is idiocy while avoiding engagement with the points actually being made

It is my secondary suspicion that you are hoping that people will read your AtE and engagement with me as being a sign of TvT, and that this may help you survive if I do flip first

[Dwlee99]

my very brief thoughts are that Baltar probably needs to die today, and if scum flip then pooky definitely needs to die

VOTE: baltar

today is the last day of term, so I should be around more after I've lesson planned

I haven't read anything since I was last here, but I've reconsidered and I think I'm willing to lim in the pool of "likely scum" one more time

if the PoE of likely suspects doesn't flip scum, then I think it's likely we're in a world where scum lives in the town-ish (or at least, null) players and we're being played into limming slots that just look bad

Day 2 end

Why were dwlee and strange experted?

Like come onnnnn

[Menalque]

like i literally said to you;

hey i would like to reread the whole game when i have time on my computer when i have time next week because right now I am on mobile only.

but keep going off on how im not scum hunting cuz i defended myself by refuting the first part of your "case"

i already regret coming back to talk to you.

you just treat everything in such bad faith

.

The irony

everything i argued against is what you actually said in your case

you blame me for not blowing him up in the n1 pt

despite you coming jnto the n1 pt and demanding we defuse the bomb for him

despite not a single person voting vpb with me on d1 at the end vote count

despite everyone in the pt solving their bomb parts for him

yes i went along with consensus and just solved

but its WHAT YOU FUCKING TOLD ME TO DO

so why r u being such a hypocrite!?!?!?



you blame for not pushing vPB on d2

how the fuck does it make sense for me to push him on d2 when i just let him live on n1?

like this is just nonsense.

Okay, question for the crowd: is it unclear for everybody how this is not what my argument for pooky why pooky is scum is, or is it only pooky who doesn’t get how he’s not addressing what I’m actually saying?

Because if everybody else can understand it from what I’ve already said, including outside of my “laundry list” then it should be clear for pooky too, right? Which strongly suggests that his continued attempts to argue against positions I don’t actually hold is wilful and because he’s aware that he doesn’t have good answers for the case I’m actually making

[Dwlee99]

I guess he is consistent that pooky scum if vp scum lol

[Dwlee99]

Also the night that Menalque put me into the "why was dwlee experted category" was immediately after we limmed scum!mala >_>

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what is your case?

i am addressing the first two things i read

which were

pooky is scum for not blowing up vpb in n1 pt

and

pooky is scum for not pushing vpb on d2

write your one sentence point and ill address it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like why would you even write 4 paragraphs about how im misrepping your case

just write your most compelling point and i will read it and address it

im not refuting a 5000 word laundry list

[Menalque]

Ugh anyway I think scum!menalque is absolutely required to do what he did with the reads on me/strange/baltar... Town him I am really struggling to understand how he literally flips his reads on three people into the exact perfect configuration for scum literally overnight.

And his read on Baltar N1 was townreading enough to pressure y'all to defuse apparently but again it changes to scumread into townread at the exact perfect time. I'm gonna pull up the quotes again

What is confusing about this?

I wasn’t particularly TRing Baltar on N1 but I thought we should use the mechanics as they were probably intended and defuse regardless. If I’d been

very strongly scum

on Baltar, I might have changed my mind but I didn’t

My N1 reads going into the PT were, for those offwagon,
GL -> CSF -> ceph/strange/enchant -> pooky/VPB -> misty from unlikely scum to likely scum

Going into D2 this is what happened: I note to myself that I’m starting to come around on VPB because of the way he was engaging, but not sure if I should really read cooperation and helpfulness as town. He continues to do this, and I start to buy into the read. Then he gets picked as defuser again and I think that for insurance we should lim him. Then I speak with greeting about whatever the fuck the read was, I think on enchant, who I’d been wanting to TR but felt like I didn’t have good reasons for, so I switch to deciding to just trust my feels on VPB which were town by this point

I didn’t really townread you or strange going into that night, hence my confusion as to why you were selected especially after Andres who I did think was town by that point was dead

Capiche?

[Menalque]

what is your case?

i am addressing the first two things i read

which were

pooky is scum for not blowing up vpb in n1 pt

and

pooky is scum for not pushing vpb on d2

write your one sentence point and ill address it

like why would you even write 4 paragraphs about how im misrepping your case

just write your most compelling point and i will read it and address it

im not refuting a 5000 word laundry list

Because I have already said multiple times what my argument is

It is, as far as I’m aware, clear to absolutely everybody who is not you

Whats more likely: you happen by sheer chance to be reading the same posts as everyone else yet the only one who doesn’t understand the argument actually being made? That you do understand but are pretending not to so as to engage with a much easier argument to defend yourself from? Or you’re not actually bothering to read my posts which would be a pretty weird thing to do from someone who actually needs to sort people?

[Dwlee99]

I don't see the connection between your enchant read and your VP read?